Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 12:20:58 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <8b262a1f-507f-ef10-e4d3-a981dca5b7d1@example.net> <9bdfe478-279e-464c-62b6-dc3b1f5da4ab@example.net> <4c7bf024-b0b5-dc1d-c8da-c2a885b02153@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3567142"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:65354 comp.os.linux.advocacy:685564 On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/02/2025 07:50, rbowman wrote: >> That was a problem when I was reading Buddhism. Those people love >> lists.Four Aryan Truths, the Noble Eightfold Path, the Twelve Links of >> Dependent Origination, and on and on. >> > Buddhists are very smart people. > > They probably invented the phrase 'bullshit baffles brains' > > While the unenlightened are busy memorising the lists, the enlightened ones > sit in the sun happy and content with their minds completely empty....not > pestered by the ones busy memorising the lists... > >> I think Schopenhauer had list envy when he wrote 'On the Fourfold Root of >> the Principle of Sufficient Reason'. > > I always thought that was a bit of a circular argument, things exist because > they need to exist to create the world in which they exist... > > Taoism is much simpler. What is the Tao. The Tao is not anything . It just > *is*. > The moment you introduce causality as a necessity, you end up with a > worldview that needs a Prime Cause. > > The secret is not to introduce universal causality as a necessity in the > first place. > > People are too fixated on finding the One True Viewpoint rather than > accepting that all viewpoints are arbitrary, none are ultimately rue and some > are more useful than others. > > Buddhists understand that there are no true viewpoints and if you let go of > all of them the world can be whatever you want it to be, subjectively. It > just is, that's all. And it is way beyond what you make of it. > > So relax. You have unravelled the mystery as far as you can, and it was all > in your mind mostly. The closest you get to the truth is what you experience > when your thinking mind is gone. Stopped. Agnosticism is very veautiful. There is no need for forced explanations beyond a certain point. The sooner one accepts that, the sooner one frees oneself from pointless metaphysical speculation. Since I was reading some Schopenhauer this weekend, he does have a point though, that there is a strong built in need in the human race for pointless metaphysical speculation, that doesn't lead anywhere. He had a lot of interesting things to say about religion.