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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 23:36:46 +0100
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 13:43:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The sound of one hand clapping is a phrase that seems to make sense, in
>> that you understand all the words, but it points to an impossible or
>> meaningless event.
>>
>> The intention is to guide the student away from a dependence on the
>> reality of words to a reality beyond them.
>
> The koans are criticized and being meaningless riddles. otoh you have
> Heidegger trying to talk about things that can't be talked about with
> neologisms.
>

I saw a documentary where an abbott said that she uses (abbess?) the 
students answer to the koan to gauge the students spiritual progress. 
Somehow that feels so strange to me, since enlightenment is an individual 
phenomenon, so how can you build a "scale" based on the answer to 
nonsensical questions? On the other hand, I'm not a student of zen.