Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:06:24 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <4RVeP.812124$bYV2.164030@fx17.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1004342744-1736330785=:3211" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2588309"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:63969 comp.os.linux.advocacy:683338 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1004342744-1736330785=:3211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2025-01-07 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >>> On 1/7/25 1:30 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote: >>>> On 2025-01-07 13:14, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2025-01-07 11:26, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2025-01-07 08:43, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-06 16:20, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse >>>>>>>>>>> code: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2025 19:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-06 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2025 13:49, Andrzej Matuch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The way they sell it, warming means a lesser availability of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water. Obviously, this would result in people dying. With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though, there would be a decreased availability of food in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I don't see how one is worse than the other. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except the narrative says that all of greenland will melt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck of a lot of fresh water >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If all of Greenland will melt, the people who are suddenly >>>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenienced by the world's warming could move there and >>>>>>>>>>>>> turn the >>>>>>>>>>>>> continent-like country into something inhabitable for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> first time in >>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of years. I imagine that as a result of it never >>>>>>>>>>>>> really being >>>>>>>>>>>>> used for agriculture, that land is incredibly fertile. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not wrong there. In fact huge areas of Canadian, Alaskan and >>>>>>>>>>>> Siberian >>>>>>>>>>>> tundra would be really quite nice places to live. Scarcely >>>>>>>>>>>> worse than >>>>>>>>>>>> Scotland >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Except for buildings and equipment sinking into the melting >>>>>>>>>>> tundra :-D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is soil underneath all of that, Chris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-military- >>>>>>>>> sees-growing-threat-in-thawing-permafrost/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        Climate change is rapidly altering the Arctic landscape, in >>>>>>>>> particular the >>>>>>>>>        permafrost that serves as a foundation for buildings across >>>>>>>>> the region. >>>>>>>>>        Warming temperatures are thawing out the frozen ground, and >>>>>>>>> in the process >>>>>>>>>        it is threatening to unsettle structures that were built >>>>>>>>> decades ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "... that were built decades ago." How many buildings have been >>>>>>>> erected >>>>>>>> decades ago in the waste known as Greenland? Even in Quebec where the >>>>>>>> north is settled to a degree, the amount of buildings in existence is >>>>>>>> minimal because the population is itself tiny. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        That's particularly worrisome for the U.S. military, which >>>>>>>>> maintains >>>>>>>>>        facilities across the Arctic region. And it's one reason >>>>>>>>> Hicks embarked on >>>>>>>>>        a two-day tour of the nation’s northernmost military bases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        “Building and maintaining infrastructure — like runways — >>>>>>>>> on permafrost >>>>>>>>>        presents unique challenges for Arctic nations — which are >>>>>>>>> growing with the >>>>>>>>>        effects of climate change,” Hicks wrote in a Twitter post >>>>>>>>> on Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once there is no longer permafrost, those challenges will be >>>>>>>> eradicated too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And replacement structures will be built/rebuilt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And that doesn't include methane release. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't mind if the people building new structure fart a time or two. >>>>>> Do >>>>>> you, Chris? >>>>> >>>>> Cut the patronizing crap. >>>> >>>> I can't help but patronize here. You're looking at a gigantic country, >>>> bigger than Europe, which is more or less uninhabited at the moment >>>> because of its unfavourable conditions. >>> >>> Its uninhabited for a reason. Do you really think that if it was +10F >>> warmer that all of the reasons are going to suddenly disappear? >>> >>>> The climate _might_ be warming >>>> with the result being an uninhabited continent of a country becoming >>>> viable for life, and you're concerned that the few buildings it has >>>> might be destroyed and/or replaced, as if that hasn't happened in the >>>> West before, and that some methane might be released. Who gives a shit? >>> >>> Methane is known to be a pretty nasty greenhouse gas: you're looking at >>> a positive feedback loop. The observation on infrastructure is that it >>> is all going to be impacted & incur expenses even to maintain status quo >>> without any "everyone moves North" growth like you're suggesting. >>> >>> >>>> Suddenly, you have a place where you can send the useless people looking >>>> to be refugees in the West, if they really want freedom and another shot >>>> at life. >>> >>> Moot point when domestic policy won't let anyone in, even if these new >>> lands were to magically be opened up. >>> >>>> Suddenly, you have access to a wide variety of resources which >>>> have not yet been exploited. >>> >>> "Suddenly"? Oil fields at Prudhoe Bay started in the 1960's, before you >>> were born. And at 70°N, it's well above the Arctic Circle (66°34′N). >>> >>>> And here _you_ are, Chris, concerned that >>>> living there might increase the temperature in one hundred years by >>>> another 0.1 degree and increase the sea level by a millimetre. >>> >>> Except that there's already had +4" sea level rise since 1993... >>> >>> ...and the rate of temperature change is known to be increasing: the >>> trend in 2000 was for +1.5°C by 2041, but the post-1995 trendline shows >>> that that same +1.5°C datum is expected much earlier, in 2030. Note too >>> that as of 2024, we're already most of the way there, at +1.36°C datum: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Funny enough, there are lots of buildings erected over a century ago >>>> that are surrounded by the same height of water today than they were >>>> back then. >>> >>> Which are waterfront on an *ocean*? Likewise, eliminate from >>> consideration all of those places which have built and/or raised >>> seawalls/barriers/etc, such as New York City, London, Venice... >>> >>>> Nothing has changed regardless of what some scientists they >>>> purchased tell you. >>> >>> One of my personal "To Do" projects is a 30+ year longitudinal photo >>> essay of a concrete jetty built on bedrock: it used to stand clear & >>> dry at high tide, but its now awash. Convince me on what's changed that >>> wasn't sea level rise. >>> >>>> We already know that the "global cooling," "global >>>> warming" and finally "climate change" garbage is a scam meant to enrich >>>> the people at the top even more. We are also aware that a lot of the >>>> floodings that have happened recently, like in Spain, were manufactured >>>> not natural. If you get rid of the structures holding the water out of >>>> certain areas, it's obvious that you will end up with flooding. >>> >>> Which explains the flooding channelized through a city, but not that the >>> rainfall amounts have become pretty biblical. For Valenia City, Spain, >>> the upstream town was Turis, which got 184.6mm in just one hour: that's >>> over 7 inches. Likewise, its 24 hour total was 771mm (30"+). >> >> This Andrzej guy is what I call a "frog in water set to boil" troll. >> He's done this before. Start out reasonable, and slowly ramp up the >> bullshit, to prolong the engagement. >> >> Another climate-change rationalizer? >> >> He's also done some racist posts; I should have plonked his smarmy ass >> days ago. > > You've lived in my killfile on so many occasions that I don't even know why I > ever bother expecting a post from you that isn't effeminate. What goes around > comes around. Your posts are hereby filtered on my side too, and I probably > won't change my decision in the future. Why did you take him out of the killfile to start with? Are you a humanist believing in the human good in anyone? ;) --8323328-1004342744-1736330785=:3211--