Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 00:35:57 +0200 Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <107rbde$20k71$20@dont-email.me> <107v689$3219t$1@dont-email.me> <1080mev$3fk4r$1@dont-email.me> <1081cin$3kivt$1@dont-email.me> <2W2pQ.10557$uCGc.6020@fx14.iad> <108428t$7mtq$4@dont-email.me> <108aefl$1n7i9$9@dont-email.me> <108hddu$3bl64$2@dont-email.me> <108leod$b9i7$1@dont-email.me> <108nobm$t942$1@dont-email.me> <108nvko$v13q$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net fuhzFnX1Y72dVHJqxhkVWQpeLb4qFWf4eI63HqN8zmU2RROflU X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZUp8Q9SIJ1njkDIYogHD5UFmE1w= sha256:dSx0V4NHu4PPfvEsAxicgU2Rs5xIXe3YIVXoX1xHRF0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <108nvko$v13q$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:72439 alt.comp.os.windows-11:23099 On 2025-08-28 00:08, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 8/27/25 13:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > On 2025-08-27 22:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 8/27/25 02:47, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> On 2025-08-27 05:38, rbowman wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:07:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > > >>>> The problem for straight electric is charging. Many older residences > >>>> still > >>>> have 60A panels and bringing them up to modern standards would be > very > >>>> expensive. Then there are the renters or even single family homes > that > >>>> only have on street parking. > >>> > >>> Around here, I read that public charging turns out to be as expensive > >>> as gasoline. > >>> > >> > >> As expensive as Gasoline in California?  I beg leave to doubt that. > >> Maybe more expensive than gasoline on the East Coast or in the > >> Midwest.  But the point is that electrical cars produce less > >> pollution not that they are cheaper to buy or operate. That is why > >> gasoline is more expensive in California because we demand less > >> polluting fuel formulations.  It only helps a little but every > >> little bit counts in the long run if the human race has a long run > >> in front of it. > > > > I have not investigated. > > > > Gasoline in Europe is heavily taxed. Google says the litre of gasoline > > in California is about €1.15/litre, while here it is about €1.50/litre. > > We still win. > >     I really doubt it is a contest.  The contest is to get rid of > pollution > by fossil fuels and we all have to do that or we will smother in the > future. > I won't though because at 88 I don't expect to be around that much > longer.  Everyday some optimistic news comes out about reducing the > amount of heat retaining gases in the atmosphere.  Our gas in California > is taxed as well.  A problem with electrically powered vehicles not using > gasoline is replacing the taxes used for road maintenance which are > derived from the Gas taxes. > > > > Public EV charging spots are installed by companies that want a profit, > > so they charge a lot; the maximum they can charge is bound by the price > > of gasoline. Reducing the pollution is nice, but I also want to reduce > > the costs to me. > >    How about the costs of destroying the environment? >     You know the environment is where people and everything people > depend upon can live? > >     Like the foolish living creature put into a pot of cold water > thinks it > is fine as the pot begins to heat up and then it is too late, people living > in a warming climate think it is ok until the heat is too much, first for > the crops they depend upon. then for the animals both the ones they > eat and the animals they love and finally for the people whether or > not they wanted to reduce their particular cost of living. I'm all for saving the environment, you don't have to convince me. But EV will not happen if electric companies get greedy and overcharge the chargers. -- Cheers, Carlos.