Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 23:46:20 +0200 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <107070d$3hvho$1@dont-email.me> <1071hb2$3qqje$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> <1071ime$3qrld$2@dont-email.me> <20250807085908.000006a3@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net wV7ku6KIODfIuJdOP7PumgkXK9RUX6Uja4yqv7GQv9ym4TwlfJ X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:Iy1oJRwDyFPLWyYOQ9bskh0gAgY= sha256:/Fpe8wUEniJqIP5e84t885uioMcq8IB9n9bjFDycn54= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70578 alt.comp.os.windows-11:21775 On 2025-08-07 22:22, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 08:59:08 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 06:56:14 -0000 (UTC) >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> Ironic, isn’t it, that its CP/M predecessor moved on to multiuser/ >>> multitasking operation (MP/M, Concurrent CP/M), but MS-DOS, supposedly >>> an improvement on the older product, never did. >> >> By the time MS-DOS had established itself as the de facto standard for >> the office, the model of small-business computing based around multiple >> dumb terminals connected to a single computer was on the wane; it stuck >> around in larger enterprise for another 10-15 years and in call centers >> for longer, but general office computing was already moving towards >> either sharing access to a single machine (if demand was low) or just >> giving people or departments their own dedicated machines. Wouldn't >> truly take off 'til hardware costs made small-office networking >> affordable and the software evolved to match, but nobody needed time- >> shared DOS like they needed MP/M. > > Until Windows for Workgroups (3.11) Microsoft never considered people > might want to network computers. I worked on a project that used an AT > supervising a number of XTs that were controlling environmental test > chambers but the network was proprietary. Some people installed Windows 95, and made it boot permanently in Dos mode, in order to have network. > > For plain vanilla 3.1 you needed the third party Trumpet Winsock to get a > TCP/IP stack. When MS finally got around to it they based WSA on BSD > Sockets with their own weird little touches that exist to this day. -- Cheers, Carlos.