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Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 21:49:12 +0100
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 08/12/2024 05:31, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 12/7/24 6:59 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/12/2024 17:12, D wrote:
>>>> If you postulate something which can never be known, it is kind of 
>>>> useless. It goes the same way as god, or a postulated first mover etc.
>>> 
>>> And yet that is what people do all the time. In fact it is the necessary 
>>> foundation of thinking.
>>> 
>>> All metaphysics - and we all use it, whether we understand that we do or 
>>> not -  is to assume the framework for our understanding, and use it not 
>>> because it is demonstrably true, but because it *works* for us.
>>> 
>>> We don't  and can't *know* that time and space exist - at least in the way 
>>> we understand them, but they do *work* for us, the way we understand them.
>>
>>    Careful ... the "luminiferous aether" WORKED - at least
>>    with the existing physics  :-)
>> 
> Exactly. That was Karl Poppers point. We don't discover the  laws, we 
> actually make them up, and if they work, we use them.

If you are interested, Bas van Fraassen probably has some interesting 
things to add as well. There was also a german guy who wrote something 
interesting in the 1920s I think on that theme, but for the moment the 
name does not come back to me.

Ahh, here we go!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philosophy_of_%27As_if%27 .

> Mickelson-Morley rather gave the lie to a physically meaningful aether, so it 
> was dropped.
>
> #
>
>>    I suspect 'dark matter' will occupy a similar position.
>> 
> :-) Probably
>
>
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