Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 13:41:12 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1199436708-1733661673=:3169" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1864357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:61964 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1199436708-1733661673=:3169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > On 12/7/24 4:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/12/2024 20:15, BlueManedHawk wrote: >>> On 12/7/24 9:29 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Windmills and solar panels are useless for the same reason. - there is no >>>> storage able to meet the intermittency problem. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I've heard rumors of alternative technologies for energy storage being >>> explored besides storage of electrical energy.  One example would be a >>> device that stores energy not as electrical energy, but instead as >>> potential kinetic energy, storing the energy by lifting a large mass and >>> releasing it by dropping the large mass.  That particular one is one that >>> i doubt will ever get off the ground, but the same basic principle of >>> converting electrical energy to some other, more convenient-to-store form >>> of energy is behind the ideas i've seen floated around. >> >> >> That is essentially the physics behind pumped (hydroelectric) storage, >> which achieves about 75% turn round efficiency. If you consider the size of >> the the lakes involved and the amount of energy that may be stored...you >> sigh and realise its better to build a nuclear power station that doesn't >> need the storage in the first place. >> >> It works, but without suitable geography the build cost is phenomenal. >> >> A much more reasonable solution  is the molten salt cooled nuclear reactor >> where molten salt can be stored ready for peak power delivery above the >> capability of the reactor in its steady state. >> >> The reality is that if anything really worked we would have seen it >> implemented already. 'Sustainable' energy  is a chimaera that always needs >> 'more publicly funded research' and never really delivers. >> >> We will have to put up with its constant bleating and claims to be the >> 'energy of the future' until enough people get so fucking fed up with it >> they demand something that actually works.  Like nuclear power... > > In the 1st world, suitable GEOGRAPHY is a BIGGIE. Land > is EXPENSIVE ... an then the ultra-greenies will freak > about tiny bugs and plants and fish. > > This limits hydro-anything. Basically if it's not already > there, you ain't gonna be allowed to do it. > > Nuke, in some ways, IS easier. Hey, Iran is making LOTS > of uranium these days ... :-) > > I'm a fan of "pebble bed" - but 'super hot' seems to > be more popular real-world. A mistake IMHO. > > Modern flywheels - super-sized - COULD store rather a > lot of energy. However you'd need to bury them a little > Just In Case. > > Lithium packs ... just WAIT for the huge fire ... > > HAVE looked into what could be called "low-headwater > hydro" ... ie tapping SMALL dams or even river flows. > With modern design software efficient turbines MIGHT > be made. Envision 'farms' of raft-looking generator > platforms in the Mississippi. Low-RPM blades wouldn't > even kill fish. > > Yea yea, I know the laws of thermodynamics - but if > you can dip into 'low delta' CHEAPLY enough .... > > There just doesn't seem to be any 'perfect' solution > at present. Even 99.9% efficient PV cells would not > solve all the issues. For now, some sensible MIX of > technologies is the best course. Alas POLITICS tends > to squeeze the 'sensible' out of everything. Sounds like you have the perfect business idea right there! Given all the eco-fascism in the world, go on a fund raising tour to europe and they will literally throw money at you! And the best thing of all... it doesn't even have to work! ;) --8323328-1199436708-1733661673=:3169--