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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-869578499-1722765108=:30846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 3 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2024-08-03 6:40 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 03/08/2024 08:11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:49:30 -0400 >>> CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400 >>>>> CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power >>>>>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of electric >>>>>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work because not >>>>>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there (because we >>>>>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves cease >>>>>> to work and nobody is ever around to fix them. >>>>> >>>>>     I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless >>>>> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the >>>>> times when the grid is underutilised and electricity is cheap. >>>> >>>> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you drive >>> >>>     I don't go on road trips, that's a peculiarly American thing. The >>> longest journey I make (rarely) is about 350km of driving, most current >>> EVs >>> can easily do that on a charge. I wouldn't want to drive more than that >>> in a day and then only for one day but if I was going to I'd be planning >>> rest stops at places with chargers thus recharging self and car at the >>> same >>> time. >>> >>>> as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same >>>> kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging >>>> station? >>> >>>     Obviously when away from home it is usually necessary to depend >>> on the charging network (unless you're staying somewhere with a charger or >>> can use a "granny cable") but "charging station" not so much. I see >>> chargers in supermarket, shopping centre, hotel and municipal car parks as >>> well as motorway service stations. I rarely see all of the chargers in use >>> anywhere. >>> >>>     The thing is that long journets are the exception not the norm, >>> most of the time most cars travel less than 100 miles per day which means >>> that overnight charging easily keeps them full and even quite small >>> batteries suffice. A great many people were happy with the original Nissan >>> Leaf with its 24kWh battery and 120km range (on a good day) - with an EV >>> that limited I'd hire a car for long journeys and still come out way ahead >>> on driving costs - 2c/km instead of 10c/km in fuel costs and much cheaper >>> services (there's usually nothing to do but check everything in an EV >>> service). >>> >>>     EVs have only two serious downsides - they're expensive to buy and >>> they depreciate quickly at first because the new models are always much >>> better every year. These are good reasons not to buy a *new* EV, second >>> hand ones are getting interesting. >>> >> Evs have no upsides at all. Not really. >> Even fuel cost will be forced to rise on account of them not paying fuel >> duty >> >> The answer is in the sales figures of tthe major EV manufacturers. People >> are stinging away on droves. > > The local news just announced that our rates are going to increase 3% every > year to make up for demand. The 3% seems low until you realize that is the > maximum legal amount they can charge since our production is owned by the > state. If they could raise prices by 10 or 20%, they would. > > It's just a matter of time before charging your EV will cost more than > gassing your car. To hippies, this won't matter because they will still be > "saving the planet" even though they never consider where that battery goes > after it is depleted (it's never recycled), where the CAR goes after it is > obsolete (its parts are never recycled because doing so is lethal), and how > much they polluted the environment simply building the car in the first > place. > > Add to that the fact that the whole in the public budget, when people are no longer getting taxed by the gas pump, is going to shift to EV charging. I think the gasoline tax in sweden is 50%. I would expect this to shift over to electricity once enough people switch, which will hopefully only happen in 20-30 years or so. --8323328-869578499-1722765108=:30846--