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Subject: Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:05:13 +0100 (CET)
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In article <f1c2bf6cebed0474c23c3a6c05293cc6@dizum.com>
"lucent tpm" <telco@example.com> wrote:
>
> In article <r5jv7s$ar4$1@dont-email.me>
> anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> wrote:
> >
> > On 3/26/20 8:04 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
> > > In article <r5j8ve$gqs$1@dont-email.me>
> > > anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 3/26/20 2:52 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > >>> On 26/03/2020 20.17, anonlinuxuser wrote:
> > >>>> On 3/26/20 2:18 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2020-03-25, anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 3/25/20 1:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 25/03/2020 11.14, Johann Beretta wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 9/15/19 3:20 PM, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> <snip>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> After looking around, I found what Linux was originally intended to
> > >>>>>>>>> do...
> > >>>>>>>>> Learn UNIX for free on a PC.  Then the suggestion was to maybe be
> > >>>>>>>>> qualified for a UNIX job.  Tho not all of linux is identically
> > >>>>>>>>> the same.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Your comparison itself is false (although not deliberately of
> > >>>>>>>> course).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It is true that I installed Linux initially to learn Unix, as I could
> > >>>>>>> not pay a Unix system. Unix (and Linux) was used by my employer
> > >>>>>>> company.
> > >>>>>>> Perhaps on summer 1998. Seeing that a serious company was using
> > >>>>>>> Linux on
> > >>>>>>> important tasks told me that Linux was a serious thing, not a hobby.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> According to history, UNIX back in 1992 or so, cost about $1500 for
> > >>>>>> a PC.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That was SCO Unix. I had it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I was a little lad then.  Later I saw some history that Sun
> > >>>> Microsystems started around that time of charging around $1200 for a
> > >>>> PC and then lowered their price to $800,... and then it was offered free.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Maybe back in 1995 old Ballmer was right calling win95 as a UNIX killer.
> > >>>> The only survivor now is Linux and Apple.
> > >>>
> > >>> No, he wasn't. What killed UNIX was Linux, not Windows.
> > >>>
> > >>> I saw PCs deployed in production running Linux doing the same thing as
> > >>> UNIX machines priced a hundred times more. No one thought of using
> > >>> Windows machines instead.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Ah, that could have been that then.
> > >> Looking back from old articles, the old VAXes ran around $250,000 or
> > >> more, the SGI machines ran around $50,000, Sun systems ran around that
> > >> same price.  Average home user couldn't afford that.  So, I do see where
> > >> Linux could have killed off UNIX vendors.
> > >
> > > A VAX 8840 would kick the poop out of most systems at that time
> > > and cost around $1.6 million by the time all was said and done.
> > >
> > > IBM systems with the same performance could cost $12-20 million
> > > depending on features and DASD capacity.
> > >
> > >> A lot of the other non-UNIX vendor like Data General, Apollo, and others
> > >> just disappeared.  Some of these companies weren't aware of the trend
> > >> then and just went down the tubes.
> > >
> > > DG got bought by EMC.  They had some good stuff but they were
> > > late to the mini market and there was just no way for them to
> > > catch up.
> > >
> > > Apollo priced themselves out of the market with rigid licensing
> > > and failed to see the mini trucks coming that ran over them.  HP
> > > bought them, killed the line, and now uses the name for HPC.
> > >
> > > Sun just plain stunk in terms of performance at the time.  Good
> > > box, weak I/O, no cheap small customer storage solutions.
> > > Servers were reliable.
> > >
> > > SGI good stuff, some still running today. Lousy marketing.
> > >
> >
> > Very true, but the SGI sounded a bit way overpriced.
> > I read somewhere someone called solaris slowaris.
> >
> > There was some other thing that my uncle mentioned that you don't see
> > anymore is the wineing and dineing of potential customers.
> > He called it the "Good ol Boys Club".
>
> Ha!  Your uncle was right.  Went to a lot of football games on
> free dimes.