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Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security

Date 2025-10-21 01:09 -0400
Subject Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security
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On 10/20/25 22:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:56:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 20/10/2025 19:55, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:02:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Science is not about knowing or knowledge,
>>>> It is about models of knowledge.
>>>
>>> Knowledge models are something quite different.
>>
>> No, they are not All theories are models
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_modeling
> 
> When the neural network branch of AI went bust in the '80s the focus moved
> to expert systems which depended on a knowledge model. The technology, as
> usual, was oversold so that AI branch has had its winters too.

   The old Minsky branch of AI did crash and burn.

   Of note, Minsky did used to post in usenet AI
   groups ... even had few short threads with him.

   The main flaw in his model was noting how super
   simple electronic circuits could make 'decisions'.
   What he failed to imagine was the 999 million
   evals/sub-calcs/etc that went into arriving at
   that 'simple' logical computation. There it all
   fell down badly.

   Peruse his "Society Of Mind" book.

   LLMs and related are a sort of different way to
   emulate "IQ". They are a sort of "fake", built-
   up emulations/rules based on seeing how millions
   of humans think about such things.

   Note that if you fake something WELL ENOUGH it's
   not really "fake" anymore ... we're almost
   approaching that point with the LLMs now.

   NNs and other 'nature' emulations ... the hardware
   to do their thing efficiently IS now improving.
   They do have a future. However they are still kind
   of "wetware emulations", not anything new or
   optimized for electronics/quantum-electronics.
   I have this gut feeling that proper "AI" will be
   Something Completely Different.

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Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:07 -0400
  Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:42 +0100
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-13 12:47 +0100
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 16:34 +0100
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 17:41 +0000
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:07 +0100
            Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:22 +0000
              Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:44 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:40 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:02 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-15 01:25 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 22:57 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:13 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:55 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:40 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 03:12 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:16 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 21:54 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:32 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:52 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:25 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:47 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:42 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:58 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:52 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:31 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:57 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:12 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:57 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:06 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 21:45 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 03:22 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:30 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:05 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:35 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:04 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:16 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:19 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:39 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:27 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:42 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:42 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:24 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:34 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:06 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:04 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:33 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:40 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:03 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:31 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:28 +0100
                Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:12 +0200
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:16 -0400
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 14:03 +0200
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 22:50 +0100
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 00:18 +0200
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:57 +0000
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:14 +0000
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:18 +0200
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:10 -0400
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
                Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:27 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:18 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:03 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:23 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:10 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 19:34 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:24 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:11 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:54 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:02 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:17 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:30 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:16 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:32 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:55 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:19 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:29 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:41 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:29 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 02:45 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:53 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:38 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:50 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:26 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:37 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:52 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 12:02 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:31 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:51 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:23 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:31 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:50 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:40 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:33 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:10 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:10 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:02 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 18:55 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 12:30 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:57 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:31 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:37 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:54 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:46 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 23:02 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 00:13 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:44 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:49 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:50 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 15:01 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:50 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:43 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:56 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:32 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:11 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:17 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:58 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:22 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:36 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:42 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:06 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:56 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:45 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:09 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:13 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:38 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:49 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:20 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:37 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:53 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:47 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:35 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:49 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:59 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:28 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:19 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-17 18:03 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:07 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-17 17:57 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:44 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:15 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:39 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:52 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:02 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:50 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:57 +0100
            Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 11:45 -0700
              Recursion and Fibonnaci (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:26 +0100
                Re: Recursion and Fibonnaci Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0100
              Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0000
              Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:18 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:08 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:02 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:46 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:46 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:07 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:11 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:50 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:14 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:23 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:21 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:39 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:15 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:12 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:08 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:31 +0000
                Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:27 +0100
                Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:40 +0000
                Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:29 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:41 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:33 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:23 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:31 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:17 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:54 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:41 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:42 +0000
              Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:04 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 08:39 -0700
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:17 +0000
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:36 -0400
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 06:57 +0000
                OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:13 +0100
                Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-16 12:05 +0000
                Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-10-16 23:00 +0000
                Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:43 +0000
                Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 17:42 +0100
                Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:47 -0700
          GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:48 +0100
            Re: GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:30 +0000
              Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:19 -0400
                Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
              Re: GOTO Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 08:21 +0100
                Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:34 +0100
                Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:57 -0400
              Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:29 +0100
            Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:21 +0100
              Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:42 +0100
                Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:02 +0100
                Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:08 +0000
                Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:20 +0100
                Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:53 +0000
                Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:16 +0100
                Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 15:21 +0100
                Re: GOTO Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:25 +0000
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:58 +0000
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:09 +0000
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:37 +0000
  Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-14 23:41 +0000
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 00:15 -0400
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-15 04:32 +0000
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:29 +0100
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:23 -0400
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:38 +0100
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:04 +0000
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:30 +0100
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-16 21:53 +0200
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-17 12:56 +0200
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-17 08:22 +0100
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:26 +0100
      Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:22 -0400
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:11 +0200
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 06:53 +0000
            Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:56 +0200
            Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:04 -0400
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:03 -0400
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:08 +0000
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:37 +0100
            Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:39 +0200
              Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:57 +0100
                Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 15:31 +0200
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:25 +0100
        Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:34 +0100
          Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:40 +0200
    Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 18:11 +0100

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