Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:10:57 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 66 Message-ID: <87v7xewugu.fsf@localhost> References: <20241021075543.00000494@gmail.com> <20241021151652.00005675@gmail.com> <20241022095931.00001d38@gmail.com> <299011000.751331039.035254.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <20241023080437.00003148@gmail.com> <1951595391.751507009.101971.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <875xpf8cjz.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:11:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a41686fda3ac24d70113d6072dacb0fb"; logging-data="4047256"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181P80FVevheT+HnOIRXKR80wU0Dsnzu/g=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:04wjN+gG83ALwXZ1CGjkT5VxLKI= sha1:AjDxboeXO1X9Duzmj4PIly/LpLs= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:228209 comp.os.linux.misc:60082 Lynn Wheeler writes: > Then before I graduate, I'm hired fulltime into a small group in the > Boeing CFO office to help with the consolidation of all dataprocessing > into independent business unit. I though that Renton datacenter was > possibly largest in the world, a couple hundred million in IBM 360 > stuff, 360/65s were arriving faster than they could be installed, boxes > constantly being staged in the hallways around the machine room. Also a > lot of politics betweeen Renton director and CFO who only had a 360/30 > up at Boeing field for payroll (although they enlarge the room to > install a 360/67 for me to play with when I wasn't doing other stuff). when I graduate, I join the science center (instead of staying with Boeing CFO). Later I transfer out to SJR, I get to wonder around silicon valley datacenters, including disk bldgs 14 (engineering) and 15 (product test) across the street. They were doing 7x24, prescheduled, stand-alone testing and mention that they had recently tried MVS, but it had 15min MTBF (in that environment). I offer to rewrite I/O supervisor so it is bullet proof and never fails, so they can do any amount of on-demand, concurrent testing, greatly improving productivity. Downside I had to spend increasing amount of time playing disk engineer diagnosing hardware development issues. Bldg15 gets early engineering systems for disk I/O testing and got both 3033 and 4341. In jan1979 (well before 4341 customer ship), I get con'ed into doing benchmark on the 4341 for national lab that was looking at getting 70 for a compute farm (sort of the leading edge of the coming cluster supercomputing tsunami). I also get con'ed into working with Jim Gray and Vera Watson on original SQL/relational, System/R. Official next DBMS "EAGLE" was to be follow-on to IMS ... and was able to do technology transfer to Endicott for SQL/DS ("under the radar" while the company was preoccupied with "EAGLE"). When Jim leaves for Tandem, he tries to palm off a bunch of stuff including supporting BofA which was in System/R joint study and getting 60 4341s, sort of the leading edge of the coming distributed computing tsunami (large corporations start ordering hundreds at a time for placing out in departmental areas, inside IBM, conference were becoming in short supply being converted to VM/4341 rooms). Note after "EAGLE" finally implodes, there is a request for how fast could System/R be ported to MVS. Eventually port is released as "DB2", originally for "decision support" only. Late 80s (decade after 4341 benchmark), got HA/6000 project, originally for NYTimes to convert their newspaper system (ATEX) from DEC VAXcluster to RS/6000. I rename it HA/CMP when I start doing technical/scientific cluster scale-up with national labs and commercial cluster scale-up with RDBMS vendors (Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and Ingres that have VAXCluser support in same source base with UNIX; I do distributed lock manager supporting VAXCluster semantics to ease the port). Early Jan1992, have meeting with Oracle CEO and AWD/Hester tells Ellison that we would have 16-system clusters by mid92 and 128-system clusters by ye92. Then by end of Jan1992 we get corporate kneecapping with cluster scale-up being transferred for announce as IBM supercomputer (for technical/scientific *ONLY*) and we are told we can't do anything with more than four processors (we leave IBM shortly later). trivia: email sent out possibly just hrs before the kneecapping, referencing that IBM FSD had agreed to strategic HA/CMP cluster scale-up (code name: MEDUSA) for gov. customers ... alt.folklore.computers(/comp.arch) two decade old archived posting https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#3 with copy of the email https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#email920129 -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970