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 Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí Márta, scríobh lar3ryca: 

 > On 2026-03-08 13:51, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
 > >
 > > [...] I don't know any ebonics speakers, but none of the Spanish speakers
 > > I've known have any difficulty with /θ/ (unvoiced th) in English, even
 > > though they don't, in most cases, use it when they speak Spanish, as /θ/
 > > is only used in a part of Spain (though admittedly an important part,
 > > Madrid and further north). Voiced th, /ð/, occurs more widely, and
 > > likewise produces no problems in English.
 > 
 > Which one gives us "Barthelona"?

Spanish from Madrid and further north. Not Catalan, though Catalan speakers
will tend to speak the standard Spanish of Spain, which has /θ/ for <c> before
/i/, /e/, which Athel mentions above.

I was in Lanzarote in January, a Spanish island 125 km from the coast of
Morocco (a very family-friendly place to holiday, full of Irish people spending
their pensions on the horses, tobacco, and Guinness). I can confirm that the
locals’ Spanish didn’t have /θ/, though of course they had no issue when I used
/θ/ speaking Spanish to them.

-- 
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)