Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:51:03 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7b7e5869-05da-b114-0aae-a51a63f65bae@example.net> References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <84211166-08c2-fd90-bfea-c1203f1d09db@example.net> <07d2c73a-61b3-cf9e-7cc9-c5bf5f8e20ec@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1850991"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:61949 On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> die prematurely. >> >> True. But a model does not imply that there is no material world. In fact, >> the success of our models is a strong proof of a material world. >> > > I never said there wasn't a material world, juts that is nothing like what > you think of as 'the material world' which is a figment of the imagination I have admited and do admit that my state of the material world is most definitely _not_ the true state of the world. It seems we alternate between misunderstanding, and deep, spiritual understanding. >>> That the models are the transform - the map - of some underlying >>> externality >> ... quantum, arguments we've been through before... >>> I understand your need for security, but don't let it limit your thinking. >> > No. the need for security exists in almost everyone. People want simple > truths. Certainties. The certainty of God, The certainty of a 'material > world'. The certainty of 'social justice' Well, from a Maslowian point of view you are right. Many people critique him, but I actually think he came up with truths. Ok, maybe not _exactly_ a pyramid and here and there, but the essence I think is pretty good. > > >> I think that is insulting. Stop ascribing motivations or putting words in >> my mouth. If you do not, I will reverse the process, and we will end up >> killfiling each other or angrily ignoring each other. I would not like for >> that to happen. > > :-)