Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!postmaster.netnews.com!dca.netnews.com!not-for-mail X-Trace: DXC=Uma=7?YhK]nO5da<66@17mHWonT5<]0Tm@GOK[m5A6Wb3[L8B6BE9jm8c8\UA@0QJjB6DKmjl\JA`AjA6U`DU>^bPBmM]9]>ZRi0C7LeDlGi0` X-Complaints-To: support@blocknews.net Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2025 19:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows) Subject: Re: Cars, engines... Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 References: <10guib0$1ai5r$1@dont-email.me> <10h15ek$2cgcb$1@dont-email.me> <10h6jb8$5cd2$1@dont-email.me> <51ahjklsu5lfhmac7rm518jqgb7g2h2n5c@4ax.com> <10hbi4e$1di3b$12@dont-email.me> <10hgacn$2nb2a$1@dont-email.me> <10hktgl$h6vb$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US From: CrudeSausage In-Reply-To: <10hktgl$h6vb$1@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 71 Message-ID: <693e0587$0$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Trace: 1765672327 reader.netnews.com 27 127.0.0.1:53487 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:79035 alt.comp.os.windows-11:28380 On 2025-12-13 6:40 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 12/12/25 05:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-12 06:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 12/11/25 18:42, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had >>>>>> with >>>>>> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I >>>>>> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes >>>>>> were >>>>>> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum >>>>>> servo-assist. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission >>>>> cars >>>>> used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for >>>>> braking with >>>>> your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory >>>>> kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake >>>>> instead. >>>> >>>> I never drove an automatic car. >>>> >>>> I guess my left leg kicks differently than my right, because the >>>> pedals have different feeling, specially when the brake was not >>>> assisted and I had to push really hard (decades ago). >>>> >>>> Steering was also an exercise. No servo. Cars were lighter, though. >>>> Not over a ton. >>>> >>> >>> Ah you are a European with sensible designers.  In the USA a car that >>> weighed under a ton would be foreign made except for a few >>> lightweights back in the 1930s. >>  > I do not think a family sedan such as my parents used weighed under >> > 2 tons. Of course that time was over 68 years ago.  And steering was >>> real exercise and brakes were unassisted. >> Uff. >> >> Did they crash often, I wonder? Difficult to stop a 2 ton box of metal >> in time. >> > >     We in the USA have many lighter cars now and we still have horrible > multicar accidents usually caused by going faster than safe in bad > conditions > which include road surfaces and visibility in heavy fogs or even storms. > We had accidents yesterday in the San Francisco Bay Area involving > cars driving too fast in fog.  On first responder saved his life by leaping > out of the way but they still hit his leg. > >     In Sacramento, California in the years I was in HS 1951-1955 the > authorities parked heavily damaged cars on significant street corners to > show the people and young people especially how driving badly could > end. >     I don't know the current yearly death counts but not long ago > it was about the same as a medium war. > >     Tomahawks for the Ukraine. > >     bliss You must be blessed to have lived as long as you have. Good health to you. -- CrudeSausage John 14:6