Message-ID: <6892902f@news.ausics.net> From: not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) Subject: Re: Artix Linux and Xlibre Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <1063lgp$jmj$2@reader1.panix.com> <1064ag9$1kvkq$1@dont-email.me> <1064m75$1lvr1$1@dont-email.me> <10667je$35rkf$2@dont-email.me> <106bdkb$2s14s$1@dont-email.me> <106bjgj$2t9mq$5@dont-email.me> <106cld0$33q3n$2@dont-email.me> <106l5kp$133ed$3@dont-email.me> <106ohbv$1q0ne$1@dont-email.me> <106s6ae$2irb0$6@dont-email.me> <106thun$2tl20$1@dont-email.me> <20250805120229.00002255@gmail.com> User-Agent: tin/2.6.5-20250707 ("Helmsdale") (Linux/2.4.31 (i586)) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ausics.net Date: 6 Aug 2025 09:13:51 +1000 Organization: Ausics - https://newsgroups.ausics.net Lines: 38 X-Complaints: abuse@ausics.net Path: csiph.com!news.bbs.nz!news.ausics.net!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70410 John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 18:19:03 -0000 (UTC) > Rich wrote: >> Reading some of the history reveals an amazing arrogance and (to put >> this into Eric Raymond terms) a very "Cathedral style" of development >> mindset. We, the great and holy monks residing in the rareified air >> of the holy Cathedral have decided that you, the lowly bazzar >> members, do not need X, Y or Z, and so thou shall not be allowed to >> have X, Y or Z in the new bazzar we are building for you to use on >> the other side of the river. > > There's been a real epidemic of autocratic diva developers in the last > decade or so With this it's a recurring trend. The development of XFree86 was alleged to be "Cathedral style", so forked to Xorg, then with the Xlibre fork Xorg has been labeled "Cathedral style", and meanwhile the paid Xorg developers have mostly switched to developing Wayland, once again, "Cathedral style". I don't want to look into the politics to figure out whether that label has always been justified or not. > [snip] > It's truly bizarre - this kind of behavior makes perverse sense in the > world of proprietary software, where companies like MS or Apple have a > clear financial stake in locking users into their ecosystem, but in the > FOSS world it's just baffling. It'd be funny, if the fallout from this > kind of nonsense weren't so annoying. X development has been heavily backed by large businesses since UNIX computer manufacturers first adopted it, so maybe the culture (now ported to Wayland) has always trended towards the "Cathedral style" for that reason. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#