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On 2025-09-27 16:10, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 23-09-2025, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> But I love languages and history and as we are speaking about computers
>>> at the same time, I feel a longer answer isn't out of topic here. And as
>>> I like your mistake, I'm enjoying to answer it in advance. Thanks for
>>> your question.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your answer, I enjoyed reading it.
> 
> Good to know. I don't have the habit to send messages that long on
> Usenet. And when I read your question, I knew I wouldn't have a way
> between the short answer and the long one.
> 
>>> So, a really different point between the French world and the English
>>> world is: in France we are speaking about ordinateurs and informatique
>>> when in US/UK they are speaking about computers and computer science.
>>
>> I think that the English word "computer science" is wrong.
> 
> Let's be clear on that point. I'm not saying one is right and the other
> is wrong. Even if i agree with you, my point wasn't to say French are
> right and English are wrong. My point was saying things behind those
> words are different.
> 
> In the end both refer to the same thing. I don't believe that someone
> speaking about a computer see a thing different than someone speaking
> about an "ordinateur". The same for "computer science" vs
> "informatique". But my point was that the thought behind those words
> came from different visions. Even if actual people using them today have
> the same vision.

Informática in Spanish.

...

>>> For the no need of translation, you have the clavier. Everyone in France
>>> is using a clavier. Nobody need to speak about keyboard. The reason is
>>> obvious: it cames from the typing machines which had a keyboard/clavier
>>> and came along well before the personal computers. So the same word was
>>> used in the computer world. The translation is obvious and the need of a
>>> better world doesn't exist.
>>
>> A Klavier in German is a piano. And Michael Jackson was using a
>> synthesizer called the "Synclavier" in the 1980ies.
> 
> In French the clavier is a part of the piano. It's the part where the
> keys are. So, probably the clavier in typing machines came from the
> piano and harpsichord, when French people were considering the typing
> machine, which isn't a "clavier" but a "machine à écrire" in French (or
> the "machine to write"). And the clavier is only a part of it.

Teclado (keyboard) in Spanish.
Máquina de escribir (typewriter)

> 
>>> The bogues are something very different. They are the green things with
>>> spikes around chestnuts. So, they are an already existing word, sounding
>>> like the word they mean to replace even if the meaning is different. The
>>> bug is the thing that create issue. The bogue is the issue you have if
>>> you try to take it with bare hand. When in the English world, the bug is
>>> the thing that destroys little part of computers. For me, and for a lot
>>> of people in France, the idea is stupid. For others, it's a good idea.
>>
>> The English word bug was created when an actual bug caught in a relay
>> of an early computer that used relays instead of transistors because
>> we didn't have 'em yet. Took days to find.
> 
> Yep. As I said: the thing that create issues.
> 
>>> It has probably taken you some time to read it. Be assured it took me
>>> more time to write it. But I enjoyed it, I'm sorry if you didn't like my
>>> answer.
>>
>> I am pretty much enjoying myself right now.
> 
> Good to know. I wasn't losing my time because I was enjoying writing
> that. But sending it here, I could have wasted others' time. As you are
> at least two to have enjoyed it I can consider I didn't.
> 
>> But where is the logiciel part?
> 
> I didn't looked far at it since my message because it was a little bit
> disappointing. As I guessed it was before I was born, that's the reason I
> always heard about this part: it was well accepted by specialists before
> coming to the street people. It was a translation created by a part of
> the French administration I have never heard: I don't know if it still
> exist today (I don't believe so). It cames from logic and they put an end
> behind it to make logiciel. So the forty morons never need to have a say
> about it.
> 

Software in Spanish :-(

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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