Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 21:38:42 +0200 Lines: 57 Message-ID: <2vbfmlxar8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <107070d$3hvho$1@dont-email.me> <1071hb2$3qqje$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> <1071ime$3qrld$2@dont-email.me> <10721bg$3uf46$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <20250807091002.000019dc@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net GU5uv8SNKTwsa4+ZnoCAaALnf0f2/J9bJG/EvpVPpeMvSWT5Yx X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:uomxhlWzWwLDC2LAW9czmy2L9AE= sha256:8iJmHpW4VouboQu2xWHtxtRZK5dO6YO4JF3MyAubkik= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <20250807091002.000019dc@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70565 alt.comp.os.windows-11:21764 On 2025-08-07 18:10, John Ames wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 19:06:23 +0800 > "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: > >> You cannot do much with only 640K RAM in IBM/PC and compatibles. Once >> PCs got more memory, we got Double DOS and DesqView!! > > You can do plenty, depending on what it is you're trying to do. 640 KB > won't get you far in, say, 3D modeling/rendering, but you could fit a > whole novella in Markdown syntax in that space without even breaking it > up into chapters. We used overlays, or broke the program in separate modules. I had a library that could dump most of a running program out of ram into disk or some high memory, and then call another program. The tricks we had were amazing :-D Autocad could run on it. Printing some of the samples, hiding the lines behind, took hours. > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 22:18:56 +1000 > Daniel70 wrote: > >> Might this be a case of "If people have 1GB of RAM, WE (the >> programmers) might as well make use of it (and not worry to much >> about being 'tidy' with 'our' programming)?? > > And yes, definitely this. MS-DOS EDIT is "only" ~192 KB, and that's > because it's really QBASIC with the BASIC parts stowed in the cupboard. > A dedicated text editor in the DOS days was generally far less (I've > got a couple bare-bones ones that fit in 4-8 KB, somewhere.) Compare ted.com was less than 3 KiB :-) At lest the original version, they improved it on a later version and got somewhat bigger. It was published as assembler example in PC Magazine, I think it was. I typed it all by hand, no way I could connect by modem across the pond to download it! I found it now on the web: https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TED (google "ted.asm from pcmagazine" without quotes) > that to even a lightweight modern text editor like Programmer's > Notepad, which is ~3 MB on disk and has a working set of like 28 MB > with nothing open...! > -- Cheers, Carlos.