Path: csiph.com!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!news.quux.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:08:20 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <224e73d7-703e-c93a-e8b7-f3f3fe12db6c@example.net> References: <1AqdnVrHJMM8Ecv6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <83db220b-e527-8f64-b6e5-e69c2e755d3a@example.net> <6e8fec66-ee07-e754-b3ed-7aa4fe47c492@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="8323328-1641906482-1734175530=:17080" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2806943"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-ID: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:62383 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1641906482-1734175530=:17080 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: <2aaa7e05-17f7-2a8f-ca10-7c55022e5fcf@localhost> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024, Rich wrote: > D wrote: >> [-- text/plain, encoding 8bit, charset: UTF-8, 37 lines --] >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024, Rich wrote: >> >>> D wrote: >>>> It is so strange. Your program fails the most nr of people, and >>>> has the most nr of people leave the program. This is bad. >>>> However... when we look at if the students get jobs after their >>>> education, your program has a 100% job ratio, and all of your >>>> students get salaries above the average for their age group. This >>>> is so strange! >>> >>> β€œIt is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary >>> depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair >>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something >>> >>> This is why college success measures should be based upon how >>> employable their graduates are. Gone (or seriously reduced in size) >>> would be all the degree programs that don't produce gainfully >>> employable graduates. >>> >>> Instead the measure is how much student loan money they can hoover >>> out of each student during the student's time on campus. And by >>> that measure they are all resounding successes. >> >> Amen! >> >> It is sad that the elite universities have a monopoly on networking. >> That's basically the only value you get out of those programs. >> >> If it weren't for the networking part, any smart young man could get >> a really good education with all the free books and course material >> that's out on the internet, except (I guess) for practical >> disciplines that requires extensive labs. >> >> But computer science should be perfectly possible to reach a very >> high level by yourself using only your laptop and the internet. But >> you won't get the networking and connections though. > > Nor get the "magic sheet of paper" that says you passed all the rote > memorization tests. > > And with so many jobs requiring the "magic sheet of paper" to even > quallify to apply, it would be hard for that 'self taught' CS person to > get their foot in the door to show that they were as good (or, from > what I've seen, likely better) as many of the H1B's the company is > otherwise hiring. > Is that really so important in the tech-sector? When I was young I'd meet many people in IT with very diverse backgrounds. But maybe it has become worse the past decade? =( --8323328-1641906482-1734175530=:17080--