Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Wayland Makes Progress Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 15:26:42 -0700 Organization: A place where nothing fits quite right Lines: 30 Message-ID: <20260505152642.000071fd@gmail.com> References: <10sv1kk$gjtg$1@dont-email.me> <10t001q$pcmf$5@dont-email.me> <20260430095306.0000330b@gmail.com> <10t01vb$2p94u$1@dont-email.me> <20260430101559.00000fe5@gmail.com> <10t0kv8$10lf6$8@dont-email.me> <20260501135638.000014d3@gmail.com> <10t3a7f$1og72$5@dont-email.me> <20260501155425.00007474@gmail.com> <10t3bmo$1og72$8@dont-email.me> <20260504152020.000053cd@gmail.com> <10tbbff$1nih$5@dont-email.me> <20260505081230.00005ae5@gmail.com> <10tdork$oc5h$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Tue, 05 May 2026 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="675242"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+3cRnnFDIMXrPIiD5NffCUBHp4ngpD/6s="; posting-host="bdbd4619e81cb3ec4876148779a61b8c" Cancel-Lock: sha1:xasw/JmUxgRpzo8dSlaO8IXRmh4= sha256:mbHcUsvay2M2mac+JcjTNCU8ch7gYO/f1mheu8Pcm94= sha1:wWC1uEN6kG264vpReKbqXxYd5Vc= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:86157 On Tue, 5 May 2026 21:52:52 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: > Strange. I thought you said that Wayland would only account for some > small minority of KiCad users. Now you=E2=80=99re describing it as =E2=80= =9Cthe user=E2=80=99s > actual, preferred window manager=E2=80=9D ... Wayland is the display server; I'm talking about the window manager, the component that determines window appearance/behavior. Implementing a pseudo-window manager within a single window (as you suggest) would mean that the user's preferred settings in the actual window manager (decorations/theme, mouse/keyboard focus behavior, etc.) would have no bearing on the behavior of $APPLICATION's pseudo-windows, because they aren't real windows and are not handled by the window manager. This would be anything from annoying to a usability impairment, depending on the user's preferences or accessibility needs. Your proposed solution would, in fact, create a whole new class of problems. > Maybe the KiCad folk should see the writing in the wall ... ? *Why* should they? Clearly this works for them, and for their paying customers - and by their own account, the only environment where it presents a problem (Wayland/Linux) represents a minority of a minority of their userbase. Why should they feel an obligation to change just to save the Wayland devs from having to provide feature parity with X11 in this proposed X11 replacement?