Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Wayland Makes Progress Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 08:12:30 -0700 Organization: A place where nothing fits quite right Lines: 35 Message-ID: <20260505081230.00005ae5@gmail.com> References: <10sv1kk$gjtg$1@dont-email.me> <10t001q$pcmf$5@dont-email.me> <20260430095306.0000330b@gmail.com> <10t01vb$2p94u$1@dont-email.me> <20260430101559.00000fe5@gmail.com> <10t0kv8$10lf6$8@dont-email.me> <20260501135638.000014d3@gmail.com> <10t3a7f$1og72$5@dont-email.me> <20260501155425.00007474@gmail.com> <10t3bmo$1og72$8@dont-email.me> <20260504152020.000053cd@gmail.com> <10tbbff$1nih$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Tue, 05 May 2026 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="533228"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18a0PHxhD050/bOVhE6ncF6Caafm46goco="; posting-host="bdbd4619e81cb3ec4876148779a61b8c" Cancel-Lock: sha1:xIeDqgGwMQcqbl3GZa+kENbiano= sha256:AalFo8Tcur9A3AvNm2BJ8RRKEHqTe4gRuYzbyun6XPU= sha1:wsSXiPH/MPhWLfyJWm17RuXU15o= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:86147 On Mon, 4 May 2026 23:52:16 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: > All of these can be discontiguous regions of pixels, with custom areas > drawn to look like suitable window decorations to look like separate > windows, and the user need be none the wiser. When the user clicks on > one of these decoration areas (since they are within the content area > of the window, would they be =E2=80=9Cinterior decorators=E2=80=9D?), the= app itself > can handle the relocation of that piece of the overall application > window. And it has total control over how any overlap with other of > its pieces might appear and behave. So, re-implementing a window manager within the confines of a window - one which would have no relation to the user's actual, preferred window manager, so there'd be no way for them to maintain consistency between $APPLICATION pseudo-windows and *everything else* in the user's desktop environment (which the X11 way of doing things provides for free.) Sounds like a real win! > > Which, again, would require that they spend a massive amount > > of development effort to suit the demands of a minority of a > > minority of their userbase ... =20 >=20 > That I doubt. I am sure there are sufficient Linux users that the > level of Linux developer talent to pull this off would also follow. Yes, I'm sure there's a bunch of people out there just chomping at the bit to reinvent the window manager from first principles inside another window manager, for the sake of saving the Wayland devs from having to offer feature parity with X11 in their X11 replacement. Eminently plausible!