Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Wayland Makes Progress Date: Fri, 1 May 2026 13:56:38 -0700 Organization: A place where nothing fits quite right Lines: 27 Message-ID: <20260501135638.000014d3@gmail.com> References: <10sv1kk$gjtg$1@dont-email.me> <10t001q$pcmf$5@dont-email.me> <20260430095306.0000330b@gmail.com> <10t01vb$2p94u$1@dont-email.me> <20260430101559.00000fe5@gmail.com> <10t0kv8$10lf6$8@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 01 May 2026 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="1685418"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181oJD7tQDMmRyZSWPF5/Cxsanh5cFPl2o="; posting-host="6c4d6baeee3f2ced9e6d6123756b333c" Cancel-Lock: sha1:JCzN+bG/vMXKP15cPDtvi9v7MCo= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:86065 On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 22:26:49 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: > The reality is, we live in a less trusting world. There are more bad > players out there trying to get one over on unsuspecting users. And do > it automatically, in an indiscriminate mass attack, so nobody can feel > safe just because you think nobody knows who you are. >=20 > Wayland is designed from the ground up for such a world. But that=E2=80= =99s > just one of its features. So they say! Except that, when they finally get it through their heads that people won't use their stuff without this or that concession, they knuckle under (as they did with application-specified window size and position,) which goes to show that their rationalization about security is just empty pretense. If it were critical for security, they wouldn't budge. Since they gave in, it's clearly not critical for security. Since it isn't but they said it is, that calls any of their other claims about security into question, because they'll plainly use it as an excuse to write off ideas they don't like. That's not the behavior of dedicated, security-oriented professional developers. It's the behavior of petulant children.