Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: naughty Pascal Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 20:13:42 -0800 Organization: A place where nothing fits quite right Lines: 32 Message-ID: <20260108201342.60f93466@coppelia.commodorejohn.com> References: <7cadnTBwKKzA68r0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <10jak55$13ji1$2@dont-email.me> <20260105104946.00005ab4@gmail.com> <10ji02o$3f9k2$3@nntp.eternal-september.org> <10ji20j$3fsod$3@nntp.eternal-september.org> <20260106142216.00007bbc@gmail.com> <20260107085703.00006e86@gmail.com> <10jo4bg$1e3l8$6@dont-email.me> <20260108184608.07ed7f69@coppelia.commodorejohn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2026 04:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e31d043b38134161d779902a0128a8c0"; logging-data="2093779"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18PaKb+4WYvg1vbY8AdJ71Pgc4FHvN8G68=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Tw6gpzOM2EejaUIpcQNTcM/AGPY= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.18.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:80790 alt.folklore.computers:233429 On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 22:15:11 -0500 c186282 wrote: > Other regions, even in 'blender' areas, still DO have a certain > 'national character' and 'common history'. Turkey is NOT like Germany > is NOT like England is NOT like France. They do now - but they had a different character once upon a time. England used to be a bunch of Celts and a handful of Roman expats 'til the Germanic tribes rolled in; then it was a bunch of Saxons squabbling with their Scots and Welsh neighbors 'til the Normans steamrolled everyone - and the Normans themselves were Vikings "gone native" in France (like the Rus over in Kyiv.) And the "native" French were just a *different* blend of Gallic, Germanic, and Latin, way back when. Turkey useta be Phrygia, back in the mists of time... All of history's successive tides shaped the world we know today, and all the things happening now will shape what comes after; that is, as they say, the way of things. It's just that prior to getting the facts kinda approximately more-or- less straight-ish in the last few centuries, we had a *lot* less clear of a picture of it - and a huge part of what's shaped *this* period of history, for better and for worse, is the collective culture shock of realizing that practically *every* modern-day culture* is a relative newcomer standing in the ruins of countless older societies with which they may or may not have anything much in common. * (Less a few outliers like, yes, east Asia - but even Japanese history has its wrinkles, they just don't like to talk about them. Just ask the Ainu...)