Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 13:58:23 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <20251222135823.000042ea@gmail.com> References: <10i7khm$2e0ab$3@dont-email.me> <10i8lit$2ltf1$1@dont-email.me> <10i8u2b$2p3ha$1@dont-email.me> <69487137@news.ausics.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 21:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c961a7da74c6a27e63b6c95757f32d10"; logging-data="4008282"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Hn8PWDsnWpfWaFM0ZQw0yX3oKFH/zIkk=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:abR/rKpCBBPWUGb8bK2IMfiznZw= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:79705 On 22 Dec 2025 08:14:15 +1000 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: > That's perfectly reasonable in my book. I don't believe in > specifying exact fonts, sizes, etc. via CSS. Use in plain > HTML if you want small text and the user can configure their > browser to display it in the way that works for them. Except where > some browser makers choose silly default behaviours for some > elements, plain HTML (4.0 Transitional) works to the user's best > advantage. I do most of my browsing with CSS turned off so all that > styling nonsense is ignored. I do use some basic CSS for basic theming and layout, but overall I agree that treating webpages as a medium for graphic design (not to mention gimmicky JS navigation that all too often breaks standard browser-navigation conventions) is wrong-headed and counterproductive, if not outright abusive. Unfortunately, "wrong-headed, counter- productive, and abusive" is the name of the game in this year of our Lord 2025 :/ Whether it's things like hijacking or "papering over" links with CSS constructs that make it impossible to get to one page without going through another page first and artificially boosting page views thereby (looking at you, YouTube,) designing layouts that are completely non- functional if assumptions about DPI/resolution aren't met, requiring JS to display static page content, or any of a dozen other common abuses, it's absolutely epidemic - and while I can keep my own little corner of the Web tidy and sane, and I've seen an encouraging trend in that direction among young hackers and hacker-adjacent blogosphere types, there's only so far you can go without being exposed to some godawful bletcherous monstrosity of mainstream web design. It's enough to make you long for Gopher...