Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: KDE Goes Wayland Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2025 10:22:16 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: <20251215102216.0000396c@gmail.com> References: <10h4hto$3llc7$1@dont-email.me> <10h8rud$nshd$3@dont-email.me> <187f885915bec455$43780$4031116$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <10h9b2f$s0tc$5@dont-email.me> <20251209081511.000019bd@gmail.com> <10hnu2r$1jlok$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2edf9ef637dca759f6fe7d05026fa1eb"; logging-data="2186046"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+NzySa4xq8EE3t+CTbciMgBtv7uA3g48o=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:0tpAf1M0ArxOBZ7wEZ5pwd8VL88= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:702791 comp.os.linux.misc:79173 On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 03:08:12 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D=E2=80=99Oliveiro wrote: > > If a project is as open and direct about aiming to supplant and > > replace another project as Wayland has been, expecting it to offer > > feature parity with the thing it's replacing (and a relatively > > seamless switch in terms of user experience) is entirely > > reasonable. =20 >=20 > Not really. X11 is full of legacy baggage (e.g. graphics API) which > needs to be dumped. That may well be so, but if they make bad judgement calls about what is or isn't needless cruft, they will learn that the hard way - as they've recently done with things like application-directed window positioning, which after years of insisting that You Don't Need That they're finally having to admit that some people *do* need, because enough people told them to jump in a lake that they had to worry about losing their bid for adoption. But if they'd been less blinkered and dogmatic from the get-go, they might've realized that there are actually some very obvious and common use cases for that, and not caused a protracted argument and hacked off a bunch of potential users for no reason.