Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 08:18:50 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <20250808081850.00002e14@gmail.com> References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <107070d$3hvho$1@dont-email.me> <1071hb2$3qqje$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> <1071jbr$3ra8s$1@dont-email.me> <10746fg$h625$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 15:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9f381b277bbfb883ed5676d8601e9cf0"; logging-data="798241"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194CzrqFNUBgXKdkdFvQ9EUIlo4ni7kgUM=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:IpnXUg4/MtO+HZ8A1/F/L0U/zew= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70607 alt.comp.os.windows-11:21796 On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 06:46:09 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > That is a huge advantage in many industrial applications =20 >=20 > I would like to see examples of that. After all, even the Apollo > Guidance Computer, that brought the Lunar Modules safely down to > their landings on the Moon and took them back to the Command/Service > Module for the return to Earth, ran a real-time multitasking > operating system, with built-in safeguards to protect against rogue > tasks hogging more resources than they were supposed to. Remember, > these things were in operation in the latter 1960s! >=20 > We don=E2=80=99t want some supposedly =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D (for its t= ime) piece of 1980s=20 > technology to be considered a step backwards, do we? The AGC is an amazing piece of work, alright - but it *had* to be, as the first fully fly-by-wire system ever made, and one that had to cope with maneuvering in a novel environment on top of that. But most industrial applications, while complex in their own right, are just slightly more confined in their parameters than "make a controlled descent to the lunar surface from orbit, re-ascend, and safely rendez- vous with the command capsule a couple hours later for a return trip" (and it's worth noting that the thing *still* crashed repeatedly and had to be restarted by operator intervention.) You *could* do a crazily fault-tolerant RTOS for, say, a CNC rig making parts according to a fixed design N hours a day, but do you really *need* to? Horses for courses, as they say.