Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Artix Linux and Xlibre Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2025 09:28:12 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <20250806092812.00002de9@gmail.com> References: <1063lgp$jmj$2@reader1.panix.com> <1063ruo$2kgsj$3@dont-email.me> <10640fb$1gqnn$2@dont-email.me> <106411i$2l2gd$3@dont-email.me> <10646dg$1gqnn$3@dont-email.me> <1064ag9$1kvkq$1@dont-email.me> <1064m75$1lvr1$1@dont-email.me> <10667je$35rkf$2@dont-email.me> <106bdkb$2s14s$1@dont-email.me> <106bjgj$2t9mq$5@dont-email.me> <106cld0$33q3n$2@dont-email.me> <106l5kp$133ed$3@dont-email.me> <106ohbv$1q0ne$1@dont-email.me> <106olee$1r0v9$1@dont-email.me> <106v28o$3889m$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 16:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d09c78b9da6289c140d98efa89bd223e"; logging-data="3616788"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX198oQYZ1+RqByK6n9vFBi1LUW6vn/66dkI=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:+L2Ml17rSWCzo8BBPqqhefhrFv0= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70492 On Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:03:36 +0100 Nuno Silva wrote: > > Some X functionality was removed from Wayland by design to improve > > security. There is no 'fix'. > > That's a frequent argument, but is that indeed true? > > All the missing features, even ones that have to be implemented by > other projects, are missing from the graphical system *because of > security*? They seem to operate on some demented notion of "security" where GUI windows exist in total isolation from everything else, even in the same user session - where even something as basic as the size/layout of the screen(s) is Classified Information and windows will confine themselves to their Designated Space and Refrain From Fraternizing even within the same *application.* It's utterly bizarre - I'd call it the mindset of a person who has never used or wanted to use anything but tiling WMs, but that linked discussion thread even has developers of some tiling WMs chiming in to complain that it's arbitrarily restrictive and weird. Hilarious to watch them be all obstinate about how This Is By Design and That Can't Be Done Because Security only to blink and back down sputtering once it became clear that their goal of getting everyone to join them in "the Wayland world" wasn't gonna happen otherwise. Great show, guys, you sure asserted your Fundamental Rightness real good!