Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Artix Linux and Xlibre Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 12:02:29 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <20250805120229.00002255@gmail.com> References: <1063lgp$jmj$2@reader1.panix.com> <1064ag9$1kvkq$1@dont-email.me> <1064m75$1lvr1$1@dont-email.me> <10667je$35rkf$2@dont-email.me> <106bdkb$2s14s$1@dont-email.me> <106bjgj$2t9mq$5@dont-email.me> <106cld0$33q3n$2@dont-email.me> <106l5kp$133ed$3@dont-email.me> <106ohbv$1q0ne$1@dont-email.me> <106s6ae$2irb0$6@dont-email.me> <106thun$2tl20$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2025 19:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3584f2cd70843a3ddc3d5950eca33782"; logging-data="3038762"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+hgXwUuiv06ID5M9mgm+GWUpt5pKm26Mc=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:5KhGugF4RGdXicwwXxsJ6s4iQzE= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70394 On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 18:19:03 -0000 (UTC) Rich wrote: > Reading some of the history reveals an amazing arrogance and (to put > this into Eric Raymond terms) a very "Cathedral style" of development > mindset. We, the great and holy monks residing in the rareified air > of the holy Cathedral have decided that you, the lowly bazzar > members, do not need X, Y or Z, and so thou shall not be allowed to > have X, Y or Z in the new bazzar we are building for you to use on > the other side of the river. There's been a real epidemic of autocratic diva developers in the last decade or so - malignant narcissists who treat the end user less as a co-benificiary of and possible source for useful feedback on the things they build and more as a kind of chattel whose only meaningful function in the world is to adulate them for building it. That'd be one thing if they were just weirdos building their own little private cults around some personal project, but being narcissists they have a habit of latching onto larger, higher-profile undertakings with greater prospects for exposure and acclaim and more potential users to corral... ...and so you end up with stuff like this, where a Certain Group is *very* loud and insistent about being The Official Replacement for a system that could really use one, but are too full of themselves to accept any obligation on their part to be compatible with it in ways that they don't *personally* see a need for - until it becomes clear that their obstinance runs a real risk of losing them "mindshare" and costing them the adulation they feel entitled to, at which point they bluster & sputter for a bit before backing down and making concessions they could've made *ages* ago if their egos weren't so hyperinflated. It's truly bizarre - this kind of behavior makes perverse sense in the world of proprietary software, where companies like MS or Apple have a clear financial stake in locking users into their ecosystem, but in the FOSS world it's just baffling. It'd be funny, if the fallout from this kind of nonsense weren't so annoying.