Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:45:42 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <20250707094542.000030e6@gmail.com> References: <102ecnj$2l3qp$3@dont-email.me> <20250612083705.000061fc@gmail.com> <102fi1k$2u1dt$4@dont-email.me> <20250612161731.00003f61@gmail.com> <102funf$3149j$4@dont-email.me> <20250620103703.00004ee7@gmail.com> <1035m0l$u0ib$5@dont-email.me> <20250623142902.00001ef8@gmail.com> <103cqjq$1ip4g$7@dont-email.me> <20250701141023.00003c97@gmail.com> <1041t1s$349i3$3@dont-email.me> <10421sd$35564$4@dont-email.me> <1042qem$3dil1$1@dont-email.me> <1044eug$3p5ha$3@dont-email.me> <104as16$1d2v4$3@dont-email.me> <6868fbb4$0$11443$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <104au7q$1dse1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bbf982183c8ec9faed8ffd4769fd5156"; logging-data="3076455"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+c/UfoZtPZvUHTRgDlEmrVgLrVJbfXAns=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Bcf9Zwyh5TatYLnTYET7Z4/iu7s= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:69458 On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 16:07:17 +0100 Richard Kettlewell wrote: > I was wondering what mechanism Stephane thinks Microsoft use to =E2=80=98= lock=E2=80=99 > Windows onto a computer. While it=E2=80=99s certainly possible to create a > device that resists unauthorized upgrades, modern PCs aren=E2=80=99t norm= ally > it. There was a thread on the topic 'round here some months ago - but it wasn't MS, but rather HP that has taken to locking down at least their consumer PCs such that it's extremely difficult (if not literally impossible) to install a non-OEM OS on it. (They've taken similar measures on the hardware end, too - proprietary PSUs that you can't replace with a standard part, as we learned the hard way with our receptionist's PC a couple years back.) Even on Windows, they're the worst of the worst with loading in crapware that they pull every available trick to reinstall when you remove it. I don't know what it is that they get out of it, but evidently *someone* at the Fiorina Funhouse has a vested interest in being even more nakedly anti-user than most PC vendors.