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From: John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The joy of FORTH (not)
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 01:11:23 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> With advanced things like MicroPython around (and feasible on modern 
> hardware), there is even less need for Forth than there was before.

OTOH, what I'm seeing for baseline memory footprint for uPython (i.e.
sufficient for building non-trivial embedded applications) is something
like 8KB RAM/128 KB Flash; my 65C02 SBC is running Tali Forth (a fairly
full-featured, speed-over-space variant) in about 24 KB EEPROM, while
more minimalist Forth kernels can fit into 8-16 KB, and working RAM
usage (depending on the application) is often commensurately small.

Which, sure, beefy microcontrollers with comparatively spacious memory
loadouts are cheaper than ever, but less luxurious ones are cheaper
still - and a byte saved is, as always, a byte earned ;)