Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.neodome.net!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:04:17 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <1bd67a87-bbc0-3268-5475-42b3cda34440@example.net> References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <6465d1f8-6fab-e3bd-0345-86011937364d@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1852496"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:61953 On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 23:07:50 +0100, D wrote: > >> I think it depends and can be anything from destroying it, shattering >> your ego, >> jarring it, or mildly "nudging" it. Maybe psychological illness is like >> the gearbox getting stuck, and the mild jarring, or hit of the drug, >> might shake it a bit so it becomes unstuck? > > Back in the day I did acid of dubious quality twice. The first was a bad > experience, the second was better. I was alone for the second attempt. Did the second attempt give you enlightenment or a new depth to life? I've never touched any other drugs besides coffee, tea and alcohol, but I did have a spontaneous explosion of love once when I was 15. I've had a few mild echoes of that experience, but never anything close to the strength of it since. >> True. I often think that the reason christianity banned suicide was that >> life was so bad in the middle ages, that if people truly believed they >> would go to heaven after death, they would all commit suicide, if the >> church didn't forbid that way of "hacking the system"! > > I don't think it was all that bad. People raised families and carried on > obviously or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Interesting. I mean of course it would vary with the region. But thinking about medieval serfs, hounded by the nobility in northern europe, does make me quite suicidal at least. ;) > I'm reading a series by James L. Nelson set in 852 A.D. when Dubh Linn was > a Norse settlement. It follows a small band whose leader only wants to > grab some Irish loot, go home to Norway, and spend his golden years > farming. It doesn't work out that was of course. > > One of the band is a berserker. He gets morose after battles when he > survives since he wants a heroic death in battle to attract the Valkyries > to take him to Valhalla. > > The Christians had to make a few edits to sell their goods to a warrior > culture. I think I've mentioned Russell's 'The Germanization of Early > Medieval Christianity' and the Heliand, a Saxon poem that had Jesus as the > drighten of a war band heading to the hill fort of Jerusalem. The massacre > of the Saxons didn't get the job done so they had to come up with a better > spin. We still honer Woden's Day and turning the other cheek never got > very popular. True. I doubt they had christmas trees in jerusalem as well. ;) In fact, I have an early memory from when I was a child looking at some childrens jesus programs around christmas, when that question hit me.