Path: csiph.com!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 10:43:00 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <12bd40ae-a14e-7772-cb7a-5bf427664dec@example.net> References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <6465d1f8-6fab-e3bd-0345-86011937364d@example.net> <77a225ca-c45c-dd19-fc45-e2de5f7963be@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2000567"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:62003 On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:10:55 +0100, D wrote: > >> I'm no expert, but I'd say the sitting version sounds more "original". >> As for Watts, I'm always skeptical of those kind of new ages guys, but >> very often people seem to be huge fans. > > The story has several variations but the general theme is Gautama spent 6 > years trying the various New Age techniques with no success until he > decided to plant himself under the Bodhi tree until he figured it out. Are you a buddhist or do you subscribe to some form of personal spirituality? Or is it just an intellectual interest? You seem very knowledgeable! > Then came the systemizers and the immense body of Abhidharma literature, > followed by the different schools arguing over interpretation. > > I always had problems with some of those texts. Those people would have > loved LibreOffice since everything is enumerated lists. I can't reliably > remember the Four Noble Truths, the Noble Eightfold Path, and the Twelve > Links of Dependent Origination let alone the subgroupings like the Five > Skahndas. Yes... it's fascinating when you think about the enormous page count the buddhists have racked up over the milennia! ;) I cannot but get the feeling that this is completely antithetical compared with buddhas original intenetions. ;) > That's probably why I like Nietzsche; sprawling, self-contradictory, spur > of the moment aphorisms with no attempt to build a system. That's better > than Schopenhauer's 'On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient > Reason' which he claims is the key to understanding The World as Will. I agree completely! I do like Schopenhauers short philosophical texts about everyday life (Parerga und paralipomena). Some of them make perfect sense and are quite approachable. But his magnum opus I don't agree with at all. Nietzsche on the other hand, is much better at writing, and although I do not think that it is just a bunch of random aphorisms, I do believe there is a theme, they are quite a puzzle to fit together. Add to that, that his views changed. My favourite is the middle period Nietzsche who does see the promise in science and rationality. But another thing I like about Nietzsche, at least for me, is that his short aphorisms serve as a spring board for me for my own reflections and philosophy. I find it very inspirational. The anti-christ I also like with its critique of institutionalized christianity and how damaging it has been to society.