Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nuno Silva Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Typical Mac users Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 07:23:08 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <10skb0e$1cssv$2@dont-email.me> References: <87qzo73oeq.fsf@rpi3> <10sa2pm$24a8s$3@dont-email.me> <8X6GR.974697$4wI6.165854@fx24.iad> <10sb1na$2eidm$1@dont-email.me> <10sb8o2$2gl78$5@dont-email.me> <%ToGR.91816$SaE4.85977@fx45.iad> <10si2et$n0vf$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 06:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="30c924302511b08e2cf4cbc62486ced6"; logging-data="1471391"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/+8FH4ijXhFfCYGP+fuI9X" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:q2a/0W78lGxLqcRaOPBsm6mVmiE= Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:85930 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:145093 On 2026-04-25, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-04-25 5:44 a.m., Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-04-23, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> On 2026-04-23 12:35 p.m., Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> CrudeSausage writes: >>>>> On 2026-04-23 3:26 a.m., Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>>> As for the other remarks I am not constantly repairing Linux installs >>>>>> to keep them working, and my Linux and Windows installs have never >>>>>> ‘offed themselves’, whatever that means exactly. >>>>> >>>>> You've been around for decades yet never heard the expression "offing >>>>> oneself?" >>>> >>>> Not really the point. But since you ask, I have heard and used it many >>>> times, but I didn’t want to make assumptions about the specific intended >>>> meaning here. >>> >>> It is rather easy to figure out: without user intervention of any >>> kind, both Linux and Windows do a wonderful job of breaking. Windows >>> is particularly bad about it since it forces you to update the system >>> and because its system restoration features don't actually work. >> >> If Windows NT's system restore points did not work, Windows Update would >> not be known for updates failing to apply and being rolled back. But >> from what I've seen a lot, NT 6.1 does exactly that. >> >> I can even complain about Windows Update not performing some checks >> (such as free disk space or licensing) *before* applying big updates, >> leading to massive installs followed by massive rollbacks if something >> is not right, but system restore is definitely doing its job... > There have been numerous articles on Windows updates bricking > computers. Here is just one example. I can attest to the fact that > shortly after I bought my PC laptop in 2021, I had such an update and > that the features Microsoft provides to restore functionality did not > work. I was lucky I had a Windows 11 installer on a USB thumb drive on > my keychain. > > What's really at odds here is that the "System Restore [Points]" feature exists and works, as it's part of the update workflow in NT 6.1. That of course doesn't mean the system can't be misconfigured or damaged in some other way, but system restore does work. Unless this has changed in more recent versions of Windows NT... -- Nuno Silva