Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Accents. Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:42:24 +0100 Lines: 82 Message-ID: <0bfhtlx1us.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> References: <68eb8c02$0$24822$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <10d0f0e$1u8bd$1@dont-email.me> <68f40083$0$28050$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <20251020092029.000020b3@gmail.com> <68fcc773$0$417$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <10djhg8$3kg9d$5@dont-email.me> <10donsh$17dho$6@dont-email.me> <10dp2m1$1ctkt$1@dont-email.me> <7jtMQ.876831$7Ika.50088@fx17.iad> <4luctlxlmi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10e0obl$n2t$13@dont-email.me> <10e1f94$7gc2$3@dont-email.me> <10e2j40$it2l$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net BDPJ6rfNjAyiYeqdQb8URgyJkvYxfKfuCHHv/xXIxCKrODLLdT X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:S1GXsKwbBn9GrdH+Gj8+x5/NkAY= sha256:11fVbab7XgQVdoh46eBCPJByn7yE4sChDTLkiEsbGyU= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <10e2j40$it2l$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:76910 On 2025-10-31 16:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/10/2025 13:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like >>>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage >>>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the >>>> action was taking place in Spain. >>> >>> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, >>> like >>> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect >>> with an >>> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) >>> would >>> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for >>> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is >>> Catalan >>> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe >>> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...) >> >> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >> own. And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a >> speaker of those languages, just some words. >> >> But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem. >> >>> >>> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching >>> a TV >>> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, >>> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose >>> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main >>> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, >>> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a >>> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different >>> styles of >>> regional speech. >>> >>> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka >>> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what >>> they >>> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it >>> got a bit easier ... >> >> A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble >> understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent >> is quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we >> understand them. >> >> > It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and > is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives > in central Germany. >> > People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand > unless you have been around them  a long time, which is why RP - > essentially the dialect of the home counties near London - was taught as > a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism decreed this to be > discriminatory against people with accents. BBC English is what I was taught. AKA RP. But I lived in Ottawa two years, so now I have that one. Google dictation fails to me if I do it in Spain. :-D > > And there are some very very bad ones. I found one tech support person > who sounded black and female to be completely unintelligible with some > sort of elided glottal stopped mush of Estuary English. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;