Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 21:47:15 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <047f0e62-9e2f-ebe9-6d65-bbf850143fc4@example.net> References: <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> <3RPUO.364883$v8v2.299927@fx18.iad> <6723f0c1@news.ausics.net> <7bd05232-fb70-d3c8-d89a-be9f63d85207@example.net> <483e3c29-b695-d91a-bab1-68264d17296f@example.net> <117525921.752442206.774429.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1131878097-1730753236=:7362" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="961098"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: <117525921.752442206.774429.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:228596 comp.os.linux.misc:60565 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1131878097-1730753236=:7362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 4 Nov 2024, Peter Flass wrote: > D wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:34:25 +0100, D wrote: >>> >>>> In summary, the US would have gotten there eventually, but as per my >>>> original statement, relying on Mr. von Braun no doubt accelerated the >>>> research. >>> >>> Yeah eventually. Sometimes it helps to get the information from the >>> horse's mouth. >>> >>> During WWI Germany used Zepplins to attack Britain. They were susceptible >>> to ground fire or being shot down by British aircraft. The answer was a >>> new design called Height Climbers that could operate over 20,000 feet, >>> well above the ceiling of the aircraft of the day. There were problems >>> with the engines and breathing apparatus but overall they were successful. >>> Design decisions had been made to allow them to operate at that altitude. >>> >>> The Allies managed to capture L-49 and the US made several attempts based >>> on the L-49. The first was the ZR-1 Shenandoah. It worked for a while >>> before breaking up in a squall. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Shenandoah_(ZR-1) >>> >>> ZR-2 started as a British R.38 class. It didn't end well. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R38-class_airship >>> >>> ZR-3, the USS Los Angeles, managed to retire in on piece. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Los_Angeles_(ZR-3) >>> >>> >>> ZRS-4, the USS Akron, was destroyed in a thunderstorm. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron >>> >>> ZRS-5, the USS Macon, broike up off Point Sur. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Macon_(ZRS-5) >>> >>> There wasn't a ZRS-6. The Navy had had enough. >>> >>> Many think most of the problems came from copying an ultralight design >>> that wasn't meant to be durable. Even when they brought in German >>> engineers they may have not been very forthcoming considering the screwing >>> Germany got a Versailles. >>> >>> >>> fwiw, Howard Hughes' 'Hell's Angels' features a Zepplin and aircraft duel. >>> At one point when the Zepplin captain is trying to gain altitude and has >>> jettisoned everything the crew lines up and jumps for the good of the >>> Fatherland. >>> >>> No CGI in that movie, just a few dead stunt pilots and a lot of crashed >>> planes. >> >> Fascinating! >> >> One of my visions is to start an airline company based on modern >> zeppelins. Instead of sitting in a small metal/carbon fibre tube for 8 to >> 14 hours, I'd like the experience of crossing the ocean to be more like a >> cruise ship. It might take 1 to 3 days or so, but you could walk around, >> and enjoy a Michelin star restaurant on board. >> >> I just need to reach Branson or Musk and the thing should be done! ;) >> >> After that, the space elevator! >> > > I’d love it! The Zeppelin Gesellschaft is (or was) recently building LTA > vehicles for tourism. I’d fly in one in a heartbeat. Same here! I'm just waiting for the chain of coincidences that will put me in touch with Richard Branson. Then I'll sweet talk him into starting Virgin Atlantic Zeppelin Edition! --8323328-1131878097-1730753236=:7362--