Received: by 10.66.72.42 with SMTP id a10mr7719839pav.34.1352764488208; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.242.74 with SMTP id wo10mr5874563pbc.9.1352764488167; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:54:48 -0800 (PST) Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!kt20no6825574pbb.1!news-out.google.com!s9ni5145pbb.0!nntp.google.com!kt20no6825568pbb.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.alpha Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121112071113.0380e66a@Crunch> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.99.217.196; posting-account=BAsR5QoAAACeTuJW0ieTaa3yw7rR4RaF NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.99.217.196 References: <56214f6d-8b62-4e21-a4fa-49e62f41481d@googlegroups.com> <20121111093737.6a64132d@Crunch> <20121112071113.0380e66a@Crunch> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <344e47af-bc69-434f-86ee-e006b50161a9@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WTD: UP1500 or UP2000+ motherboard From: tony@tonyjones.com Injection-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.alpha:13 On Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:11:17 PM UTC-8, Marc Schlensog wrote: > Steven Hirsch replied to me personally, I hope he doesn't mind that I > share his valuable information here too: > > "A significant number of the UP2000+ boards have chipsets that have > succumbed to electro-migration in varying degrees. I gave away my > system last year to another collector. It was progressively losing its > ability to work with multiple memory modules installed and was down to >=20 > 512MB when we parted ways. > "Even if you can find a working UP2000, don't count on it for long-term= =20 > reliability." > > This is consistent with my experience with a lot of CS20 (which > basically are UP2000+ systems in a 1U enclosure) and various other=20 > reports. While the API systems are to varying degrees* pretty nice on=20 > paper, they aren't built to last. The CS20 had another flaw in form of=20 > an unreliable PSU. ... > *) This most certainly doesn't include UP1000 and UP1100 :) Is this saying that the UP1000/UP1100 isn't nice on paper or don't have the= same long-term reliability issues as the UP2000(+) ? I'd heard several other reports of the UP2000(+) not being long term reliab= le. Thanks for confirming. Is the unobtanium UP1500 similarly afflicted? If someone wanted an Alpha workstation which supports Linux, what would be= the intersection of "fast" (for 2001 era), quiet (workstation), reliable a= nd reasonably obtainable be? ATX form factor isn't essential, the UP1500= just sounded like a nice system due to EV68/AGP/DDR.