Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.alt.net!not-for-mail From: owl Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 14:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: O.W.L. Lines: 123 Message-ID: References: <9azucv93.g@rooftop.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: boom.rooftop.invalid X-Face: $BHf)vM$6p_?9L`jmOQ54JeNyL+%MZGGRfH8&grb[Y%-jU`MCPAQN=/SVDa{(/67bP(YB}rjV^h>cUh User-Agent: tin/2.2.1-20140504 ("Tober an Righ") (UNIX) (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64 (x86_64)) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:406587 vallor wrote: > On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:01:54 +0000, owl wrote: > >> Snit wrote: >>> On 4/5/17, 6:46 PM, in article avz89c3.ajvic@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Snit wrote: >>>>> On 4/5/17, 5:08 PM, in article lazv90g.ab@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Snit wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/5/17, 1:39 PM, in article azkci893a.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> So "duplicate" makes a duplicate but doesn't delete the >>>>>>>>>> original, and "save as" creates a copy and doesn't delete the >>>>>>>>>> original; but "duplicate" and "save as" "do different things." >>>>>>>>>> Granny is confused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, with no sarcasm or insult, I commend you for admitting to >>>>>>>>> an area of computing you are ignorant about. All too often in >>>>>>>>> COLA people see that as a weakness and refuse to do so. You have >>>>>>>>> little experience with such systems... and even if you did you >>>>>>>>> still might not know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But before we get to the differences, I want to make sure you >>>>>>>>> realize that we are now talking about multiple features here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Renaming a file (which can be done open or not) >>>>>>>>> * Moving a file (which can be done open or not) >>>>>>>>> * Labeling a file (which can be done open or not) >>>>>>>>> * Duplicating a file (which can be done open or not) >>>>>>>>> * Saving a file (which can only be done if open) >>>>>>>>> * Saving as a new file (which can only be done if open) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the difference between "duplicating" an open file and >>>>>>>> "save as"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, happy to answer but first want to make sure you are clear of >>>>>>> the basics: NEITHER is the same as moving, renaming, or labeling of >>>>>>> a file. That is what we were discussing before you moved the topic >>>>>>> to Duplicating vs. >>>>>>> Save / Save As. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, no answer. >>>>> >>>>> I spoke about features A, B, and C. You moved goal posts to features >>>>> D and E (which are closely tied with F). You want to know how D and E >>>>> are different. >>>>> Fine. But since you moved goal posts to those features and did so in >>>>> a way that suggested you did not understand you moved goal posts I >>>>> want to make sure you understand before we delve into your side >>>>> topic. >>>>> >>>>> I have asked you multiple times and you are just lost. So be it. You >>>>> are lost. >>>>> >>>>>> Just face it. Apple screwed up an put in differently named menu >>>>>> items that do the same thing. >>>>> >>>>> Nope. Not the case at all, but I accept YOU do not understand the >>>>> difference and are ignorant enough of basic file tasks where you show >>>>> no understanding you even jumped topics. >>>>> >>>>> So, AGAIN, do you understand that renaming and moving and labeling a >>>>> file (what we were first talking about) are DIFFERENT features than >>>>> the Saving and Duplicating files (the topics you jumped to). If no, >>>>> which it seems, then I am happy to explain the difference. If yes, >>>>> though, then we can jump forward on your side issue. >>>>> >>>>> Not putting you down for thread drift. Not putting you down for not >>>>> understanding features you do no use. But for crying out loud, if you >>>>> are going to ask questions then be open with what you do and do not >>>>> know so we do not end up in the type of circus this is becoming. >>>> >>>> So you're not going to answer. >>> >>> I already have multiple times, including above. If you care to stop >>> pushing your circus here and have a conversation I am open to it. If >>> not let us end this discussion here. >>> >>>> And the reason is obvious. "Duplicate" an open file means the exact >>>> same thing as "Save As..." >>> >>> For folks such as you who show not understanding of either, no less why >>> they are different than renaming and moving a file, sure. Once you >>> understand why these two are different than the topics we were >>> discussing, though, you will be ready to understand how they are >>> different. But you are not interested in that, so, sure, for someone at >>> a novice level who cannot understand such things and is confused by all >>> of this, yes, they are FUNCTIONALLY the same... unusable. >>> >>>> They may as well have had menu items for tables and sheets. >>> >>> They who? You keep jumping topics from one thing to the other... >>> showing very poor understanding or desire to even learn. So be it. >>> >>> Hey, call Marek into the conversation... I bet he will be happy to join >>> you in mocking me over his ignorance over these topics. :) >>> >>> >> This one must really hurt. I haven't seen you dance so hard in a long >> time. > > I hope you're not surprised. "Snit" has been barely keeping it together > for over a week now. > > There was even one point where he claimed newgroup denizens were > "immoral" without a hint of irony. I guess he doesn't read his own sig > anymore...he's un-self-aware and tone-deaf. > > ObLinux: > ICEDAX(1) General Commands Manual ICEDAX(1) > > NAME > icedax - a sampling utility that dumps CD audio data > into wav sound files > http://imgur.com/a/2zdzg