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Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 11 May 2026 22:53:04 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> 
>> On May 11, 2026 at 3:40:52 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
>> <10ttltk$1g1he$4@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>>> On 11 May 2026 19:25:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Asked another AI. To me this is interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> ——-
>>>> ### A Third Path: Linux Environments
>>>> Interestingly, some Linux desktop environments (like GNOME) allow
>>>> users to toggle between these behaviors. User preference studies
>>>> there suggest that people who do **"heavy" multitasking** (10+
>>>> windows) prefer the macOS style for stability, while **"light"
>>>> multitaskers** (3-4 windows) prefer the Windows style for speed.
>>> 
>>> Did your AI say that neither Windows nor Mac offer the optimum
>>> situation -- dynamically switching between the two paradigms as
>>> needed -- but Linux does?
>> 
>> What makes you think that is the optimum solution? If that is all
>> that is changing it likely offers more cognitive overhead than
>> giving back and forth between Mac and Windows.
> 
> “Optimum” because you can do it all on one system, without having to
> have two machines on your desk. 

By that logic I can run Windows and Linux on top of macOS. 

> Or rebooting a single machine between
> two modes. Or figuring out how to virtualize one within the other, or
> both under a third. Or other such hang-a-bag-on-the-side bandaids.

The cost of switching back and forth is likely larger than the cost of
either solution. Curious if when you pick on a system if it changes other
things like the top menu and app tabs, and the application switcher. On
both macOS and Windows these things are coordinated and made consistent to
benefit usability. 

> “Optimum” because you can do it within the same user session.

As I said: likely more cognitive overhead than Windows or macOS. 

> “Optimum”, in short, because it requires the least work on the part of
> the user.

How do you figure? What you describe — going back and forth — means more
mode switching. Of course you can set it and forget it which. If done well,
could be a benefit. If not it could add complications most users are not
equipped to understand well. Both MS and Apple have usability research to
base decisions on. 

>> As I think about this I do see the value more to how macOS does it.
>> With the single menu and not having apps be tied to any given window
>> (they can even have zero documents open), and with the use of tabs I
>> sorta get it.
> 
> But then, you could have the situation where the frontmost window does
> not belong to the frontmost app -- the menu bar says one thing, the
> visible window says something else.

The window would not be active. And the menu backs that (I wish there was
more visual difference). 

> Resiling from what your AI said, that both approaches have their
> benefits?

They do. The only time I can think when it’s been a detriment to me is
closing Finder windows and that is rarely an issue. But it still is one.
Given the consistency with the menu and tabs, and given how I sometimes
close a window and then quickly open a new one, I also see advantages to
the app based paradigm. 


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Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:05 +0000
  Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 20:34 +0000
    Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:41 +0000
      Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 22:58 +0000
        Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:07 +0000
          Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 23:42 +0000
  Re: Apple GUI Bug CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-05-10 17:45 -0400
    Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 22:36 +0000
      Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:38 +0000
        Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 23:03 +0000
          Re: Apple GUI Bug Jim <slimjimmy1959@yahoomail.com> - 2026-05-10 23:47 +0000
            Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 00:08 +0000
  Re: Apple GUI Bug Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-05-10 22:56 -0400
    Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 03:26 +0000
    Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 03:27 +0000
      Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 05:18 +0000
        Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 05:42 +0000
          Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 05:50 +0000
            Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 06:19 +0000
              Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 06:44 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:46 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 03:04 +0000
          Re: Apple GUI Bug Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-11 11:34 -0700
            Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:47 +0000
              Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:59 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 19:25 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:40 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 22:53 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:50 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 03:07 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 07:09 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Chris <Christech@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-12 01:41 +0000
                Re: Apple GUI Bug Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 01:45 +0000
  Re: Apple GUI Bug Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-05-10 21:42 -0700

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