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Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2023-12-09 18:21 +1300
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 05:46 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 07:00 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 06:11 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 03:59 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:06 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:41 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-09 13:48 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 14:37 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:27 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:40 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 16:05 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:24 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:20 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 14:09 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:16 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 08:58 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 11:11 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-13 15:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:12 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:08 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:22 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:15 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:41 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 18:31 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:41 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:13 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-12 08:34 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:19 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> - 2023-12-11 14:35 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:55 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:57 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 20:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-15 08:11 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:37 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:46 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:17 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:25 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:35 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 07:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 16:03 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:35 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:00 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 18:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:25 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 19:56 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:37 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-10 15:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:30 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:48 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:22 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:07 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 00:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-09 22:42 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:18 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-11 08:47 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 10:19 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:10 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:03 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 15:56 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-11 18:57 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-12 15:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 18:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 14:45 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 01:18 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 22:06 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 18:15 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 04:06 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 01:45 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 23:25 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 16:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 13:15 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-13 14:07 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 15:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:35 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-11 18:56 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-10 00:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktkb49Fbr24U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126242 |
On 2023-12-09 23:07, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 15:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-09 19:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the
>>>>>> provider Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as
>>>>> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to
>>>>> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message,
>>>>> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc.
>>>>
>>>> WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible
>>>> exception of
>>>> "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if
>>>> that means threading (like is done in NetNews).
>>>
>>> I think I saw a reply to poster thing in WA.
>>
>> Yes, you can address a particular user in a group with "@<user>", but
>> it is not threaded, i.e. your message is just at the bottom of the
>> screen, not somewhere in the middle where <user>'s message is.
>
> On iPhone if someone "replies" to an older message, then the original
> message is replayed in grey/smaller font, and the reply goes below it.
> Little "hook" graphic linking them
Yes, WhatsApp does some something similar. You have to
tap-and-slide-right on the old message; it generates a tiny partial copy
of the old message linked to an edit box to type the new reply. If
recipient taps on the old link, the application automatically shows that
message in context. Can be a message, video, photo, map, document...
whatever.
I have heard of whatsapp supporting payments, but not ready yet; anytime
soon. Automatic message on arrival, no, but I have heard of the feature
on some app, I don't remember which. Maps, yes, we can send a location
with a tiny map that opens on tap. Or, we can send a map with the real
time location for a predefined number of hours. Send a document. Oh, new
one I just see: send a survey. No idea about this one.
I guess any feature can be replicated, it is just a question to design
it (just tell the engineers to do it), and assign the resources to it
(machines and money, I'd guess). And of course, estimate if it is going
to be worth it, revenue vs cost.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 22:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ul3fj0$ouv0$1@novabbs.org> |
| In reply to | #126271 |
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:21:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I guess any feature can be replicated, it is just a question to design > it (just tell the engineers to do it), and assign the resources to it > (machines and money, I'd guess). And of course, estimate if it is going > to be worth it, revenue vs cost. Apple designs the walled garden on purpose, so it's not that simple. Apple designs it to exclude people from outside the Apple community.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-10 08:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <zUidN.755$IfLe.534@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #126348 |
On 2023-12-09 23:42, Patrick wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:21:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> I guess any feature can be replicated, it is just a question to design >> it (just tell the engineers to do it), and assign the resources to it >> (machines and money, I'd guess). And of course, estimate if it is >> going to be worth it, revenue vs cost. > > Apple designs the walled garden on purpose, so it's not that simple. It's not a walled garden at all. > Apple designs it to exclude people from outside the Apple community. Exactly. It's more of a country club - not a walled garden. Like in "a real world" country club, club members get the full value of the outside world plus the perqs inside the country club fence that are denied to non members. To gain access to the club, simply purchase Apple devices. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 08:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ul77et$15cq9$1@novabbs.org> |
| In reply to | #126668 |
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:18:23 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: > To gain access to the club, simply purchase Apple devices. If you believe what you say, which is that the only way an Apple device will ever communicate easily with the rest of the world is for everyone in the world to be only on Apple devices, then there's no sense in continuing this conversation. The walled garden is very real and highly restrictive.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 10:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vMFdN.12054$Wp_8.10186@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #128056 |
On 2023-12-11 09:47, Patrick wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:18:23 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: >> To gain access to the club, simply purchase Apple devices. > > If you believe what you say, which is that the only way an Apple device > will ever communicate easily with the rest of the world is for everyone > in the world to be only on Apple devices, then there's no sense in > continuing this conversation. The walled garden is very real and highly > restrictive. <this might post twice> With an Apple device there are no restrictions on using "outside the Apple eco-system" apps and means. Apple users who are part of a non-Apple grouping just use the apps and means that the group uses. Life goes on without restriction. But, when "in the eco-system" one gets those things that those not in the club can't have. Such as the seamless integration between Apple devices and apps. This is why Apple's "eco system" is not a walled garden as you're so desperate to label it. It is a fenced-in country club that members can enter and leave as they like or need. The members get everything of both worlds, the non-members only get their world and can only gaze through the fence and wish they had the benefits of the club (or rant about the club members if that is therapeutic to them). Meanwhile companies like Samsung make their own "clubby" setups such as integration between phones and watches - but this falls into messy once one uses a Windows PC, Mac or Linux. Very messy to keep all the parts singing in harmony. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 15:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7e87.3cs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128149 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: [...] > With an Apple device there are no restrictions on using "outside the > Apple eco-system" apps and means. Apple users who are part of a > non-Apple grouping just use the apps and means that the group uses. Life > goes on without restriction. > > But, when "in the eco-system" one gets those things that those not in > the club can't have. Such as the seamless integration between Apple > devices and apps. > > This is why Apple's "eco system" is not a walled garden as you're so > desperate to label it. > > It is a fenced-in country club that members can enter and leave as they > like or need. The members get everything of both worlds, the > non-members only get their world and can only gaze through the fence and > wish they had the benefits of the club (or rant about the club members > if that is therapeutic to them). > > Meanwhile companies like Samsung make their own "clubby" setups such as > integration between phones and watches - but this falls into messy once > one uses a Windows PC, Mac or Linux. Very messy to keep all the parts > singing in harmony. From Samsung's (commercial) newsletters, I get the impression that there is also quite a lot of intergration, *if* you buy all your stuff, including all kinds of other stuff, like appliances, TV, home automation, etc., etc. from *Samsung*. So for your example, that would be a *Samsung* Windows PC (versus an Apple Mac). So apples to apples :-) comparison: Buy *all* your stuff from Apple versus buy *all* your stuff from Samsung. N.B. I'm not implying that Samsung's integration is as intricate as Apple's, but it's much better than just a bay of islands as is the case when everything/most_things come from different manufacturers. And Samsung makes some stuff which Apple doesn't, so let's call it a *different* country club, where both Apple users and non-Samsung users "can only gaze through the fence and wish they had the benefits of the club (or rant about the club members if that is therapeutic to them)". :-)
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 13:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qgIdN.17067$p%Mb.16098@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #128197 |
On 2023-12-11 10:44, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > [...] > >> With an Apple device there are no restrictions on using "outside the >> Apple eco-system" apps and means. Apple users who are part of a >> non-Apple grouping just use the apps and means that the group uses. Life >> goes on without restriction. >> >> But, when "in the eco-system" one gets those things that those not in >> the club can't have. Such as the seamless integration between Apple >> devices and apps. >> >> This is why Apple's "eco system" is not a walled garden as you're so >> desperate to label it. >> >> It is a fenced-in country club that members can enter and leave as they >> like or need. The members get everything of both worlds, the >> non-members only get their world and can only gaze through the fence and >> wish they had the benefits of the club (or rant about the club members >> if that is therapeutic to them). >> >> Meanwhile companies like Samsung make their own "clubby" setups such as >> integration between phones and watches - but this falls into messy once >> one uses a Windows PC, Mac or Linux. Very messy to keep all the parts >> singing in harmony. > > From Samsung's (commercial) newsletters, I get the impression that > there is also quite a lot of intergration, *if* you buy all your stuff, > including all kinds of other stuff, like appliances, TV, home > automation, etc., etc. from *Samsung*. So for your example, that would > be a *Samsung* Windows PC (versus an Apple Mac). Not a very good comparison, alas. Apple has the Home Kit to extend one's reach over to all sorts of appliances. > > So apples to apples :-) comparison: Buy *all* your stuff from Apple > versus buy *all* your stuff from Samsung. > > N.B. I'm not implying that Samsung's integration is as intricate as > Apple's, but it's much better than just a bay of islands as is the case > when everything/most_things come from different manufacturers. This is where open standards are a good thing for _basic_ integration. Doesn't mean that when one co. goes the extra distance that they have to open it up to all and sundry to take advantage of their investment in more advanced features. Certainly the shareholders would not stand for it. > > And Samsung makes some stuff which Apple doesn't, so let's call it a > *different* country club, where both Apple users and non-Samsung users > "can only gaze through the fence and wish they had the benefits of the > club (or rant about the club members if that is therapeutic to them)". > :-) I can't think of a thing Samsung makes where I wouldn't consider some other company's wares over them. Not to say Samsung doesn't make things I may want. But their disjointed eco-system is certainly not a draw. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 19:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7puo.kvs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128252 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-11 10:44, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > > [...] > > > >> With an Apple device there are no restrictions on using "outside the > >> Apple eco-system" apps and means. Apple users who are part of a > >> non-Apple grouping just use the apps and means that the group uses. Life > >> goes on without restriction. > >> > >> But, when "in the eco-system" one gets those things that those not in > >> the club can't have. Such as the seamless integration between Apple > >> devices and apps. > >> > >> This is why Apple's "eco system" is not a walled garden as you're so > >> desperate to label it. > >> > >> It is a fenced-in country club that members can enter and leave as they > >> like or need. The members get everything of both worlds, the > >> non-members only get their world and can only gaze through the fence and > >> wish they had the benefits of the club (or rant about the club members > >> if that is therapeutic to them). > >> > >> Meanwhile companies like Samsung make their own "clubby" setups such as > >> integration between phones and watches - but this falls into messy once > >> one uses a Windows PC, Mac or Linux. Very messy to keep all the parts > >> singing in harmony. > > > > From Samsung's (commercial) newsletters, I get the impression that > > there is also quite a lot of intergration, *if* you buy all your stuff, > > including all kinds of other stuff, like appliances, TV, home > > automation, etc., etc. from *Samsung*. So for your example, that would > > be a *Samsung* Windows PC (versus an Apple Mac). > > Not a very good comparison, alas. Apple has the Home Kit to extend > one's reach over to all sorts of appliances. Yes, but that's just a bay of islands, not tight integration as the rest of the Apple eco-system. You can't have it both ways: It's either part of the Apple eco-system - and hence (most likely) tightly integrated - or it's not - and hence the *user* is the 'systems integrator', not Apple. > > So apples to apples :-) comparison: Buy *all* your stuff from Apple > > versus buy *all* your stuff from Samsung. > > > > N.B. I'm not implying that Samsung's integration is as intricate as > > Apple's, but it's much better than just a bay of islands as is the case > > when everything/most_things come from different manufacturers. > > This is where open standards are a good thing for _basic_ integration. Indeed. But in that case the user is the systems integrator and if stuff doesn't work, tough luck and over to unofficial help sources (such as these groups). > Doesn't mean that when one co. goes the extra distance that they have to > open it up to all and sundry to take advantage of their investment in > more advanced features. Certainly the shareholders would not stand for it. I - and most sane people - am not saying they have to open it all up. What we *are* saying is that when it's about *communication* the reasonable expectation is that the communication method (iMessage) can also communicate with other platforms. And no, the current SMS/MMS kludge does *not* satisfy that need. It's a silly bandaid 'used' (FSVSVO 'used') in the US(/NA?). No-one takes the kludge seriously, so it's telling that Apple users - who always talk about seamless, smooth, etc. - even bother to defend such a kludge. Just accept/admit that it's a kludge and move on. Of course Apple *can* keep iMessage closed. Likewise we *can* call it silly, stupid, <whatever>. > > And Samsung makes some stuff which Apple doesn't, so let's call it a > > *different* country club, where both Apple users and non-Samsung users > > "can only gaze through the fence and wish they had the benefits of the > > club (or rant about the club members if that is therapeutic to them)". > > :-) > > I can't think of a thing Samsung makes where I wouldn't consider some > other company's wares over them. Not to say Samsung doesn't make things > I may want. Well, again you can't have it both ways: You either stick with one company or you pick and choose. I could make the same (non-)argument: "I can't think of a thing Apple makes where I wouldn't consider some other company's wares over them.". > But their disjointed eco-system is certainly not a draw. Their eco-system is not "disjointed". They might not offer the intricate level of integration which Apple offers for their products, but that doesn't mean their eco-system is "disjointed".
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 15:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul7ph2$2t1g6$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #128261 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote > Yes, but that's just a bay of islands, not tight integration as the > rest of the Apple eco-system. You can't have it both ways: It's either > part of the Apple eco-system - and hence (most likely) tightly > integrated - or it's not - and hence the *user* is the 'systems > integrator', not Apple. Frank ... The sole reason Apple stuff works together is they're always logged into the same server (for the rest of their lives - they're logging into Apple). Think about that.... (given you know Android doesn't need us to do that). There's nothing Apple can do that Android can't do if everyone logged into the same server to do it, Frank. The difference is that Apple will _brick_ your device if you don't log in. <https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple <https://i.postimg.cc/4dHQQFfk/locked-02.jpg> Password was always good <https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license!!! <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> Then, iCloud works again <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> Then, Messages works again Ask me how I know this, Frank. <https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS nag items <https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS nag items <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 iOS nag item (permanent) In a year or two, Apple will _brick_ my third device as I will never log into that Apple server ever again on that device. Note: You know I test things, Frank - so none of the iKooks is aware of what Apple does because they'd be too scared NOT to do what Apple tells them to do (like innocent sheep led by the nose to slaughter). > Of course Apple *can* keep iMessage closed. Likewise we *can* call it > silly, stupid, <whatever>. I learned how horrid Apple's "integration" was in this simple lesson... <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> iTunes breaks everything I bought an iPod to use with my songs on my Windows PC, and... then... I had to _initialize_ the damn thing - using - you guessed it - iTunes... You know I know software - and therefore I know all about Apple software... It's terrible. A. I was utterly horrified at the iTunes bloatware abomination B. Which I instantly removed in favor of the free SharePod integration C. Years later, Apple bought SharePod & made it use (guess what) iTunes Notice the lessons learned: a. Apple can't write software b. Apple software _reduces_ functionality c. Apple did everything they could to hinder functionality Luckily I saved the original SharePod version which works fine to this day. -- The instant you choose the Apple product line, you lose functionality.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-11 18:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ul8i67$3h1bi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #128274 |
On 2023-12-11 11:56, Wally J wrote: > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote > >> Yes, but that's just a bay of islands, not tight integration as the >> rest of the Apple eco-system. You can't have it both ways: It's either >> part of the Apple eco-system - and hence (most likely) tightly >> integrated - or it's not - and hence the *user* is the 'systems >> integrator', not Apple. > > Frank ... > > The sole reason Apple stuff works together is they're always logged into > the same server (for the rest of their lives - they're logging into Apple). > > Think about that.... (given you know Android doesn't need us to do that). > > There's nothing Apple can do that Android can't do if everyone logged into > the same server to do it, Frank. > > The difference is that Apple will _brick_ your device if you don't log in. Why must you lie?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktrdjlF5kamU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128410 |
On 2023-12-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-11 11:56, Wally J wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Yes, but that's just a bay of islands, not tight integration as
>>> the rest of the Apple eco-system. You can't have it both ways:
>>> It's either part of the Apple eco-system - and hence (most
>>> likely) tightly integrated - or it's not - and hence the *user*
>>> is the 'systems integrator', not Apple.
>>
>> Frank ...
>>
>> The sole reason Apple stuff works together is they're always logged
>> into the same server (for the rest of their lives - they're logging
>> into Apple).
>>
>> Think about that.... (given you know Android doesn't need us to do
>> that).
>>
>> There's nothing Apple can do that Android can't do if everyone logged
>> into the same server to do it, Frank.
>>
>> The difference is that Apple will _brick_ your device if you don't
>> log in.
>
> Why must you lie?
Arlen ("Wally") *desperately* wants those of us who actually have
devices that haven't been logged into iCloud to be quiet, but the fact
is many people use Apple devices without the *completely* *optional*
iCloud service for years without issue. I have an iPhone SE (1st gen)
semi-permanently mounted to the windshield of my car that hasn't been
logged into iCloud for years, and it functions as a dedicated dash cam
without issue. Here's he truth: Arlen purposely fucked his own device up
and is trying to pass that off as "Apple fucked me". Arlen lies. Arlen
lies constantly. Arlen *hates* Apple users so much that he literally
spends hours and hours every day trolling these news groups in lame
attempts to belittle and disrupt. Unlike most other posting here, Arlen
has no life outside of hate. He's a pathetic loser.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 18:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ulance$36bh3$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #129529 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > but the fact > is many people use Apple devices without the *completely* *optional* > iCloud service for years without issue. Hi Jolly Roger, While Snit & Alan Baker & Joerg are plonked, I read everything you write. And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, JR. What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I provided. For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, JR. <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of. <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins > I have an iPhone SE (1st gen) > semi-permanently mounted to the windshield of my car that hasn't been > logged into iCloud for years, and it functions as a dedicated dash cam > without issue. What's no longer shocking about you uneducated ignorant iKooks, Jolly Roger, is you can't figure out that the iCloud login is _not_ the problem. I too could download all the software I wanted to get from the App Store, for example, which worked even when Apple bricked the rest of my devices. <https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test Note: You can install apps - you just can't delete & then re-install them. What you don't understand is the sheer number of logins Apple requires, and, more importantly, if you don't log into them frequently, then what you consider wonders of the walled garden immediately stop (e.g., FaceTime). > He's a pathetic loser. It's no longer shocking that you iKooks are incapable of responding to the fact that you _hate_ about Apple products so you attack the bearer of fact. So be it. Fact is, you've never once found any fact from me to ever be wrong, even as you _hate_ almost every fact that I prove to you about Apple products, JR. -- The problem with iKooks isn't so much how incredibly ignorant they are, but they refuse to believe any facts about Apple which they themselves hate.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 14:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ulanqe$3r1sc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #129578 |
On 2023-12-12 14:38, Wally J wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >> but the fact >> is many people use Apple devices without the *completely* *optional* >> iCloud service for years without issue. > > Hi Jolly Roger, > > While Snit & Alan Baker & Joerg are plonked, I read everything you write. > And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, JR. > > What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times you > must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I provided. > > For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, JR. > <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login > <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login And nothing requires you to use either one. > > And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of. > <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins And you aren't required to use them.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-13 01:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktsf3gFcgq0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #129578 |
On 2023-12-12, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >> but the fact is many people use Apple devices without the >> *completely* *optional* iCloud service for years without issue. > > And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, > JR. Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices work. > What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times > you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I > provided. Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about. You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll. > For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, > JR. You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls are as weak as your interpersonal skills. > And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of. More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears. >> I have an iPhone SE (1st gen) semi-permanently mounted to the >> windshield of my car that hasn't been logged into iCloud for years, >> and it functions as a dedicated dash cam without issue. > > uneducated > ignorant > iKooks Poor, little triggered Arlen... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 22:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ulb3jn$3bi21$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #129613 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote >> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, >> JR. > > Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices > work. Hi Jolly Roger, The unsurprising thing is you iKooks have no clue whatsoever that there's a login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the iCloud server. <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login And plenty more. <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products work. >> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times >> you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I >> provided. > > Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and > continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about. Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into Apple servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown here. <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings > You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires > you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll. I understand you better than you know yourself, Jolly Roger, so I forgive you for lashing out at me simply for telling you the truth about Apple. >> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, >> JR. > > You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact > that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls > are as weak as your interpersonal skills. No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. That was caused by Apple who forces you to identify yourself with a government ID if you ever stop logging into it. <https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple >> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of. > > More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that > account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your > logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are > you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears. Again, I forgive you for hating all facts about Apple products, Jolly Roger. But you hating what Apple does doesn't change what Apple does. It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging into Apple servers - because if you didn't - Apple will brick your device. <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ the device! What you hate is that almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply choose to NOT log into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single moment of the rest of your life, Jolly Roger. Which is why I feel sorry for you iKooks after all. You're so _happy_ being oblivious to everything about Apple products that you hate me (and Apple) when I prove to you what Apple does.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 18:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ulb43a$3sm0g$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #129629 |
On 2023-12-12 18:06, Wally J wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >>> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, >>> JR. >> >> Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices >> work. > > Hi Jolly Roger, > > The unsurprising thing is you iKooks have no clue whatsoever that there's a > login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the iCloud server. > <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login > <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login > > And plenty more. > <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins > > It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products work. > > >>> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times >>> you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I >>> provided. >> >> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and >> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about. > > Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into Apple > servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown here. > <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings > >> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires >> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll. > > I understand you better than you know yourself, Jolly Roger, so I forgive > you for lashing out at me simply for telling you the truth about Apple. > >>> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, >>> JR. >> >> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact >> that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls >> are as weak as your interpersonal skills. > > No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. That was caused by Apple who forces you to > identify yourself with a government ID if you ever stop logging into it. > <https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple > >>> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of. >> >> More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that >> account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your >> logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are >> you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears. > > Again, I forgive you for hating all facts about Apple products, Jolly > Roger. But you hating what Apple does doesn't change what Apple does. > > It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging into > Apple servers - because if you didn't - Apple will brick your device. > <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ the device! > > What you hate is that almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply > choose to NOT log into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single > moment of the rest of your life, Jolly Roger. > > Which is why I feel sorry for you iKooks after all. > > You're so _happy_ being oblivious to everything about Apple products > that you hate me (and Apple) when I prove to you what Apple does. You're such an amazing simpleton... ...or bald-face liar... ...or mostly likely of all... ...both!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-13 04:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktsothFedo8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #129629 |
On 2023-12-13, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >>> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, >>> JR. >> >> Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices >> work. > > you iKooks have no clue whatsoever More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points, dumb ass. > there's a login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the > iCloud server. Yes, bozo. That's what happens when you log into a server - it asks for your credentials. You really are *this* fucking stupid, huh? > It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products > work. More projection. You exude weak-mindedness. >> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and >> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking >> about. > > Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into > Apple servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown > here. No, you clearly don't know that if you hadn't logged into it in the first place, it would never ask for your credentials. You are truly an idiot. You log into servers and then complain when they ask for your credentials, like a complete moron. Are you a boomer? Because you sire think like one. 🤣 >> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires >> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing >> troll. > > I understand you better than you know yourself In your fevered dreams. > I forgive you for lashing out at me I don't forgive you, Arlen. And I hope you die soon. On that day, we'll celebrate with a drink here, because the world will instantly become a bit brighter due to your absence. Count on that. 🙂 >> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the >> fact that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your >> trolls are as weak as your interpersonal skills. > > No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. Nope, I'm right. And I have a years-old 1st generation iPhone SE right here that is living proof. I haven't been asked to log into *any* Apple servers for literal *years*. You *desperately* want to pretend this isn't the case, but it is. And nothing you can ever say will change this reality. > Apple who forces you to identify yourself with a government ID if you > ever stop logging into it. Nope. You already admitted you never logged out and then forgot your credentials, like the complete idiot you are. > It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging > into Apple servers It's clear you *desperately* want to pretend my iPhone SE hasn't been logged into an Apple server in many years and works just fine. You also comically don't remember you already admitted staying logged into Apple servers then forgetting your own username and password, before turning around and claiming Apple fucked you like the complete jackass you are. And you apparently think the rest of us don't remember that too. Dementia is setting in, eh? > almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply choose to NOT log > into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single moment of the > rest of your life Objectively and laughably false. 🤣 -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-13 01:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ulbgdp$3c7kq$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #129901 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote >> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever > > More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points, > dumb ass. You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers, and if you do not frequently log into those mothership servers, Apple will brick the device. You _hate_ every truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger, so you blame me. So be it. > >> there's a login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the >> iCloud server. > > Yes, bozo. That's what happens when you log into a server - it asks for > your credentials. You really are *this* fucking stupid, huh? Again, you _hate_ every truth about Apple, which you can't dispute. So you take out your _hatred for Apple_ on the bearer of those truths. So be it. >> It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products >> work. > > More projection. You exude weak-mindedness. Heh heh heh. You _hate_ all truths about Apple. I tell those truths. So you hate me. So be it. >>> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and >>> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking >>> about. >> >> Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into >> Apple servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown >> here. > > No, you clearly don't know that if you hadn't logged into it in the > first place, it would never ask for your credentials. For the first time in oh, I don't know, a dozen posts, you've said something that is actually correct about Apple products, Jolly Roger. I never said otherwise, Jolly Roger. > You are truly an > idiot. You log into servers and then complain when they ask for your > credentials, like a complete moron. Are you a boomer? Because you sire > think like one. What's interesting is that you _hate_ the truth about Apple so much that you build this senseless strawman so that you can attack it instead of accepting the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger. You _hate_ that Apple forces you to log in repeatedly for the rest of your life, don't you? And yet you have no defense to that truth that you hate. So you hate me simply for teaching you how your Apple product works. So be it. >>> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires >>> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing >>> troll. >> >> I understand you better than you know yourself > > In your fevered dreams. I love when you post, Jolly Roger. Because you're the epitome of the average Apple user. From you, I learn how Apple easily brainwashes that average Apple user. Thank you. >> I forgive you for lashing out at me > > And I hope you die soon. On that day, we'll > celebrate with a drink here, because the world will instantly become a > bit brighter due to your absence. Count on that. It's a good thing you didn't say it like nospam and Rod Speed did, JR. So I won't take that as a direct threat worthy of reporting to the FBI. However... It does show how deathly afraid you are of me, Jolly Roger. Simply for telling the truth about Apple products. The fact you're so deathly afraid of the truth tells me a lot about you. > >>> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage. And the >>> fact that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your >>> trolls are as weak as your interpersonal skills. >> >> No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. > > Nope, I'm right. And I have a years-old 1st generation iPhone SE right > here that is living proof. I haven't been asked to log into *any* Apple > servers for literal *years*. You *desperately* want to pretend this > isn't the case, but it is. And nothing you can ever say will change this > reality. Yes you have, Jolly Roger. You just skip past it and do exactly what they tell you to do, Jolly Roger. You can't say you've never seen this, can you? <https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS nag items >> Apple who forces you to identify yourself with a government ID if you >> ever stop logging into it. > > Nope. You already admitted you never logged out and then forgot your > credentials, like the complete idiot you are. Heh heh heh... again you build a strawman because you can't recognize from the screenshots that I logged into my own account without any problem once they _unlocked_ it (I never needed to change the login or password, JR). <https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple What you _hate_ Jolly Roger, is that simple fact about Apple products. Everything you love about Apple, for example, Jolly Roger, is purely due to one thing & one thing only - which is everything is done on their servers. You _hate_ that fact. >> It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging >> into Apple servers > > It's clear you *desperately* want to pretend my iPhone SE hasn't been > logged into an Apple server in many years and works just fine. Ah, but you have Jolly Roger. You have. You just never explicitly tested NOT logging into Apple servers every day for the rest of your life. So you never saw this: <https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license! > You also > comically don't remember you already admitted staying logged into Apple > servers then forgetting your own username and password, before turning > around and claiming Apple fucked you like the complete jackass you are. > And you apparently think the rest of us don't remember that too. > Dementia is setting in, eh? I know the AppleID login and password to _all_ my iPads, Jolly Roger. Apple locked the account because I didn't log into them frequently enough. Haven't you ever seen this message from Apple, Jolly Roger? <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> >> almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply choose to NOT log >> into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single moment of the >> rest of your life > > Objectively and laughably false. I love you Jolly Roger - so I'd ask you to run a simple experiment please. Try NOT logging into your wondrous Apple servers, Jolly Roger. And _then_ tell me that the statement is "false".... But I do appreciate that you show how much you hate facts about Apple products... so much that you wish me dead... simply for telling the facts. Interesting how much you, nospam and Rod Speed all hate facts about Apple. -- HINT: Almost nothing works unless you log into Apple's mothership servers.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-12 23:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ulbma0$2msm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #130180 |
On 2023-12-12 21:45, Wally J wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >>> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever >> >> More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points, >> dumb ass. > > You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant that > Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers, and if you do not > frequently log into those mothership servers, Apple will brick the device. This is false.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-13 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktu497FoiupU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #130180 |
On 2023-12-13, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote > >>> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever >> >> More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any >> points, dumb ass. > > You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant > that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when the servers ask you to verify your credentials. If you don't sign in, you don't get asked for your credentials, idiot. You have to be a boomer. There's no other explanation. Also, stop bitching and moaning about insults when every single post you make here for the past decade calls Apple users "iKooks" and worse, you fucking crybaby. 🤣 -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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