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Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2023-12-09 18:21 +1300
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 05:46 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 07:00 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 06:11 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 03:59 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:06 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:41 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-09 13:48 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 14:37 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:27 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:40 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 16:05 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:24 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:20 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 14:09 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:16 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 08:58 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 11:11 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-13 15:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:12 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:08 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:22 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:15 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:41 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 18:31 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:41 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:13 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-12 08:34 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:19 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> - 2023-12-11 14:35 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:55 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:57 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 20:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-15 08:11 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:37 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:46 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:17 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:25 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:35 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 07:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 16:03 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:35 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:00 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 18:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:25 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 19:56 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:37 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-10 15:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:30 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:48 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:22 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:07 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 00:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-09 22:42 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:18 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-11 08:47 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 10:19 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:10 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:03 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 15:56 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-11 18:57 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-12 15:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 18:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 14:45 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 01:18 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 22:06 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 18:15 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 04:06 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 01:45 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 23:25 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 16:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 13:15 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-13 14:07 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 15:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:35 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-11 18:56 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 14:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2c1m$2b202$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #125281 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
> Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product.
*iMessage === WhatsApp*
(works the same)
There is *no privacy on iOS* as a direct result of the need to constantly
do everything on Apple's servers - instead of directly through the carrier.
--
BTW, there's no privacy on WhatsApp either (for the very same reasons).
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 07:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ul12f0$24aht$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #124412 |
On 09.12.23 06:21, Your Name wrote: > On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>> >>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>> >>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>> >>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. >>> To be seen. >> >> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple >> would permit this? >> >> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? > > It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ But seems to be an issue of national security in the US. *ROTFLSTC* -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 08:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bJZcN.9272$7sbb.8797@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #124412 |
On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: > On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>> >>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>> >>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>> >>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. >>> To be seen. >> >> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple >> would permit this? >> >> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? > > It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 16:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ul1vkj$27utm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #125275 |
On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: >> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ > > It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage. Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely the same functionality. There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg: 1. The blue bubbles. :-D 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the provider Apple. You have no clue. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 17:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjj9vF8ae9U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125638 |
On 2023-12-09 16:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote:
>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>>
>> It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage.
>
> Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are
> much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers
> like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely
> the same functionality.
>
> There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg:
>
> 1. The blue bubbles. :-D
> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the
> provider Apple.
>
> You have no clue.
I know of some people (I'm thinking of an immigrant lady) who had an
iPhone for prestige, same as others would buy an expensive car. But she
used WhatsApp. The phone got stolen on her job, which is when I saw her
using a tablet as phone for a while. I don't know what she is using now,
I have not seen her since Covid. Well, I may have, but I did not ask :-D
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 13:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MW1dN.530$IfLe.78@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #125638 |
On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ >> >> It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage. > > Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are > much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers > like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely > the same functionality. iMessage is a subset (or co-set) of the iCloud functionality that makes the Apple "ecosphere" work seamlessly between Apple devices. This is not practically feasible between Android devices from different manufacturers (who want to lock in users themselves), Linux and Windows as keeping the specs in-line and up-to-date would be a nightmare. (aka: dependencies). So while messaging with, eg, Signal, can be a full and valuable experience, it is "islanded" within Signal's feature set. > There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg: > > 1. The blue bubbles. :-D Not relevant in itself - just the way Apple presents it. (Oddly too since in later iOS and Mac versions the Message app icon is green - not blue... mysterious). > 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the > provider Apple. Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to and have the reply connected to the specific individual message, deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc. So, much more than the blue-bubble and encryption. > You are really expert at this. True. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul2g7q.1is.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126085 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > > On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: > >> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: > >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ > >> > >> It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage. > > > > Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are > > much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers > > like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely > > the same functionality. > > iMessage is a subset (or co-set) of the iCloud functionality that makes > the Apple "ecosphere" work seamlessly between Apple devices. This is > not practically feasible between Android devices from different > manufacturers (who want to lock in users themselves), Linux and Windows > as keeping the specs in-line and up-to-date would be a nightmare. (aka: > dependencies). > > So while messaging with, eg, Signal, can be a full and valuable > experience, it is "islanded" within Signal's feature set. Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM platforms. Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices. So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible. And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices? > > There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg: > > > > 1. The blue bubbles. :-D > > Not relevant in itself - just the way Apple presents it. (Oddly too > since in later iOS and Mac versions the Message app icon is green - not > blue... mysterious). > > > 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the > > provider Apple. > > Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as > being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to > and have the reply connected to the specific individual message, > deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc. WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if that means threading (like is done in NetNews). > So, much more than the blue-bubble and encryption. > > > You are really expert at this. > > True. I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't - implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use - cannot do something. Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative) things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious about it.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 15:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2euk$2b6sa$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #126123 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
> Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For
> example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other
> platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between
> Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices.
>
> So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible.
It's no longer shocking how ignorant iKooks like Alan Browne are.
For example, PulseSMS does it all also.
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 14:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ag3dN.11795$c3Ea.4744@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #126123 |
On 2023-12-09 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: >>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: >>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ >>>> >>>> It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage. >>> >>> Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are >>> much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers >>> like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely >>> the same functionality. >> >> iMessage is a subset (or co-set) of the iCloud functionality that makes >> the Apple "ecosphere" work seamlessly between Apple devices. This is >> not practically feasible between Android devices from different >> manufacturers (who want to lock in users themselves), Linux and Windows >> as keeping the specs in-line and up-to-date would be a nightmare. (aka: >> dependencies). >> >> So while messaging with, eg, Signal, can be a full and valuable >> experience, it is "islanded" within Signal's feature set. > > Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM > platforms. > > Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For > example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other > platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between > Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices. > > So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible. > > And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices > supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set > on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices? Where iMessage (the service and/or the app) provides extensions related to various Apple devices, 3rd party extensions and so on. >>> There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg: >>> >>> 1. The blue bubbles. :-D >> >> Not relevant in itself - just the way Apple presents it. (Oddly too >> since in later iOS and Mac versions the Message app icon is green - not >> blue... mysterious). >> >>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the >>> provider Apple. >> >> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as >> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to >> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message, >> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc. > > WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of > "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if > that means threading (like is done in NetNews). > >> So, much more than the blue-bubble and encryption. >> >>> You are really expert at this. >> >> True. > > I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't - > implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use - > cannot do something. Oh - of course I know they do all sorts of useful things. Indeed I was on a Facetime meeting yesterday and missed some functionality of MS Teams. (or Zoom for that matter). Where it all falls apart for such is how one would do deep integration as Apple does when one has a Windows machine at work, a Linux machine at home, and Android in their pocket... you can integrate, there is nothing technical barring it ... but doing such across the span of many devices, OS's, manufacturers (all pining to lock in customers to their products) is not likely to be "seamless" or easy to maintain. > Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative) > things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in > that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious > about it. Indeed - however - what the android "complainers and moaners" keep missing about Apple's eco-sphere is the integration within the "club". Thus the devices I use daily - a lot - Mac, iPhone, Watch and to a lesser extent iPad are quite seamlessly integrated - iMessage is part of that. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 15:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2fli$2b80a$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #126160 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote > Indeed - however - what the android "complainers and moaners" keep > missing about Apple's eco-sphere is the integration within the "club". > Thus the devices I use daily - a lot - Mac, iPhone, Watch and to a > lesser extent iPad are quite seamlessly integrated - iMessage is part of > that. The Android owners aren't the ones complaining, Alan Browne. We can set the colors of each and every chat to whatever colors we want to. <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/> We simply don't care what color our "bubbles" show up as. Only Apple owners care about that. Which is why you complain so much how bad it is for you on iOS, Alan.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul2ka7.k6c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126160 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
[...]
> > Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM
> > platforms.
> >
> > Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For
> > example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other
> > platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between
> > Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices.
> >
> > So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible.
> >
> > And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices
> > supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set
> > on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices?
>
> Where iMessage (the service and/or the app) provides extensions related
> to various Apple devices, 3rd party extensions and so on.
Can you eloborate on that? What kind of extensions? What kind of extra
functionality do they offer, which is not or not likely to be available
on other IM platforms?
[...]
> > I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't -
> > implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use -
> > cannot do something.
>
> Oh - of course I know they do all sorts of useful things. Indeed I was
> on a Facetime meeting yesterday and missed some functionality of MS
> Teams. (or Zoom for that matter).
>
> Where it all falls apart for such is how one would do deep integration
> as Apple does when one has a Windows machine at work, a Linux machine at
> home, and Android in their pocket... you can integrate, there is nothing
> technical barring it ... but doing such across the span of many devices,
> OS's, manufacturers (all pining to lock in customers to their products)
> is not likely to be "seamless" or easy to maintain.
Yes, I fully understand that and why you appreciate the "deep
integration", "seamless", etc.. But hopefully you realize that also
comes at a price / with limits, as this iMessage versus other IM
platforms example shows. Yes, you can step outside the "ecosystem", but
while you're in the ecosystem, there are limits, which people outside
the ecosystem do not have. Bbut they do have other costs/limits. Nothing
is perfect, nothing is 'better' ('Frank's law' at work) and all that
jazz.
> > Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative)
> > things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in
> > that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious
> > about it.
>
> Indeed - however - what the android "complainers and moaners" keep
> missing about Apple's eco-sphere is the integration within the "club".
> Thus the devices I use daily - a lot - Mac, iPhone, Watch and to a
> lesser extent iPad are quite seamlessly integrated - iMessage is part of
> that.
I've a loved one who keeps me on the straight and narrow and vice
versa. That helps both me and hir! But (s)he *does* use WhatsApp,
after all, we both live in 'the real world'! :-)
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 16:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <J65dN.11937$c3Ea.1500@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #126179 |
On 2023-12-09 14:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> [...]
>>> Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM
>>> platforms.
>>>
>>> Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For
>>> example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other
>>> platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between
>>> Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices.
>>>
>>> So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible.
>>>
>>> And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices
>>> supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set
>>> on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices?
>>
>> Where iMessage (the service and/or the app) provides extensions related
>> to various Apple devices, 3rd party extensions and so on.
>
> Can you eloborate on that? What kind of extensions? What kind of extra
> functionality do they offer, which is not or not likely to be available
> on other IM platforms?
Payments, use the camera from messages, location, Dropbox integration,
etc. "Check-in" to auto-message someone when you've arrived at a planned
destination, graphical messages (time-oriented playback of how you gen'd
the message), maps ... etc. too many to list.
>
> [...]
>
>>> I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't -
>>> implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use -
>>> cannot do something.
>>
>> Oh - of course I know they do all sorts of useful things. Indeed I was
>> on a Facetime meeting yesterday and missed some functionality of MS
>> Teams. (or Zoom for that matter).
>>
>> Where it all falls apart for such is how one would do deep integration
>> as Apple does when one has a Windows machine at work, a Linux machine at
>> home, and Android in their pocket... you can integrate, there is nothing
>> technical barring it ... but doing such across the span of many devices,
>> OS's, manufacturers (all pining to lock in customers to their products)
>> is not likely to be "seamless" or easy to maintain.
>
> Yes, I fully understand that and why you appreciate the "deep
> integration", "seamless", etc.. But hopefully you realize that also
> comes at a price / with limits, as this iMessage versus other IM
> platforms example shows. Yes, you can step outside the "ecosystem", but
> while you're in the ecosystem, there are limits, which people outside
> the ecosystem do not have. Bbut they do have other costs/limits. Nothing
> is perfect, nothing is 'better' ('Frank's law' at work) and all that
> jazz.
That "price/limits" doesn't (hasn't affected me at all...). People
outside the eco-system can certainly get data to me via various means
and v-v.
>
>>> Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative)
>>> things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in
>>> that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious
>>> about it.
>>
>> Indeed - however - what the android "complainers and moaners" keep
>> missing about Apple's eco-sphere is the integration within the "club".
>> Thus the devices I use daily - a lot - Mac, iPhone, Watch and to a
>> lesser extent iPad are quite seamlessly integrated - iMessage is part of
>> that.
>
> I've a loved one who keeps me on the straight and narrow and vice
> versa. That helps both me and hir! But (s)he *does* use WhatsApp,
> after all, we both live in 'the real world'! :-)
--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-10 15:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul4og0.11ro.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126237 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 14:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-09 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM
> >>> platforms.
> >>>
> >>> Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For
> >>> example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other
> >>> platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between
> >>> Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices.
> >>>
> >>> So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible.
> >>>
> >>> And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices
> >>> supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set
> >>> on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices?
> >>
> >> Where iMessage (the service and/or the app) provides extensions related
> >> to various Apple devices, 3rd party extensions and so on.
> >
> > Can you eloborate on that? What kind of extensions? What kind of extra
> > functionality do they offer, which is not or not likely to be available
> > on other IM platforms?
>
> Payments, use the camera from messages, location, Dropbox integration,
> etc. "Check-in" to auto-message someone when you've arrived at a planned
> destination, graphical messages (time-oriented playback of how you gen'd
> the message), maps ... etc. too many to list.
Thanks for the info.
WhatsApp has a few of these (camera, location, cloud), but probably
(I've not really needed any of these, so I don't know) not most/all.
BTW, in our country (NL) we have a payment system ('Tikkie', nudge)
which works with WhatsApp (and other messaging systems), so the
integration is there, but generic, instead of IM platform specific.
[...]
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktoa5tFdtm8U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126758 |
On 2023-12-10 16:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 14:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> BTW, in our country (NL) we have a payment system ('Tikkie', nudge)
> which works with WhatsApp (and other messaging systems), so the
> integration is there, but generic, instead of IM platform specific.
Yeah, we just need (to agree on a) a system that is EU wide.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul7d0m.pvo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #127611 |
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-12-10 16:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-09 14:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>
> > BTW, in our country (NL) we have a payment system ('Tikkie', nudge)
> > which works with WhatsApp (and other messaging systems), so the
> > integration is there, but generic, instead of IM platform specific.
>
> Yeah, we just need (to agree on a) a system that is EU wide.
The Dutch iDEAL [1] payment system is planned to become the European
(not just EU) acount-to-account payment system. Perhaps that will also
incorporate 'Tikkie' [2] functionality, which is more person-to-person
payment than acount-to-account.
[1] 'iDEAL' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDEAL>
[2] 'Tikkie' <https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkie> (Dutch)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-11 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktp231FiqcsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #128151 |
On 2023-12-11 16:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-10 16:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 14:56, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>>
>>> BTW, in our country (NL) we have a payment system ('Tikkie', nudge)
>>> which works with WhatsApp (and other messaging systems), so the
>>> integration is there, but generic, instead of IM platform specific.
>>
>> Yeah, we just need (to agree on a) a system that is EU wide.
>
> The Dutch iDEAL [1] payment system is planned to become the European
> (not just EU) acount-to-account payment system. Perhaps that will also
> incorporate 'Tikkie' [2] functionality, which is more person-to-person
> payment than acount-to-account.
Spain wants to push Bizum instead, which is very popular here.
>
> [1] 'iDEAL' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDEAL>
>
> [2] 'Tikkie' <https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkie> (Dutch)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 20:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjul4Fbr26U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126123 |
On 2023-12-09 19:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote:
...
>>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the
>>> provider Apple.
>>
>> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as
>> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to
>> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message,
>> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc.
>
> WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of
> "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if
> that means threading (like is done in NetNews).
I think I saw a reply to poster thing in WA.
>
>> So, much more than the blue-bubble and encryption.
>>
>>> You are really expert at this.
>>
>> True.
>
> I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't -
> implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use -
> cannot do something.
>
> Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative)
> things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in
> that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious
> about it.
Right :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 20:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul2lqv.pos.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126176 |
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2023-12-09 19:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > >> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > >>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: > >>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: > > ... > > >>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the > >>> provider Apple. > >> > >> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as > >> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to > >> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message, > >> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc. > > > > WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of > > "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if > > that means threading (like is done in NetNews). > > I think I saw a reply to poster thing in WA. Yes, you can address a particular user in a group with "@<user>", but it is not threaded, i.e. your message is just at the bottom of the screen, not somewhere in the middle where <user>'s message is. [...]
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 22:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktk4acFbr24U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126215 |
On 2023-12-09 21:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 19:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the
>>>>> provider Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as
>>>> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to
>>>> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message,
>>>> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc.
>>>
>>> WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of
>>> "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if
>>> that means threading (like is done in NetNews).
>>
>> I think I saw a reply to poster thing in WA.
>
> Yes, you can address a particular user in a group with "@<user>", but
> it is not threaded, i.e. your message is just at the bottom of the
> screen, not somewhere in the middle where <user>'s message is.
A message in the middle would be missed.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 17:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Ky5dN.7530$83n7.1649@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #126215 |
On 2023-12-09 15:22, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2023-12-09 19:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>>>> On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote: >> >> ... >> >>>>> 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the >>>>> provider Apple. >>>> >>>> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as >>>> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to >>>> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message, >>>> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc. >>> >>> WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of >>> "and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if >>> that means threading (like is done in NetNews). >> >> I think I saw a reply to poster thing in WA. > > Yes, you can address a particular user in a group with "@<user>", but > it is not threaded, i.e. your message is just at the bottom of the > screen, not somewhere in the middle where <user>'s message is. On iPhone if someone "replies" to an older message, then the original message is replayed in grey/smaller font, and the reply goes below it. Little "hook" graphic linking them -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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