Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless Subject: Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:54:30 +0100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <10gko1b$u3l$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <10gmoj6$2af6q$1@dont-email.me> <10gn4qe$b3f$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <10gnft7$2k751$1@dont-email.me> <10guap7$2pa9$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <10gvc76$1n6af$1@dont-email.me> <10gvuj9$ob5$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <10h009d$207io$1@dont-email.me> <10h2gkv$32h76$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net +hEDiLcuhFnrpUsrKH6r/AY5bRd0ngHdSMJdQ6Y0FJA/WDeAE7 X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:pknIiXjl/cbgYcxuOIR9pBUOyc0= sha256:/bXKapow0it3kKGYlx7eVAp4yEUb0tOzQzX6EhH3XBY= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <10h2gkv$32h76$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com misc.phone.mobile.iphone:198855 alt.comp.os.windows-10:190198 comp.mobile.android:151783 alt.internet.wireless:18605 On 2025-12-07 01:10, Alan wrote: > On 2025-12-06 04:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-06 02:18, Alan wrote: >>> On 2025-12-05 16:49, Marian wrote: >>>> Chris wrote: >> >> >>>> Since WaveDigger has a special query mode where you can enter a >>>> single SSID >>>> or BSSID, and instead of just returning that access point's >>>> location, it >>>> also pulls in the surrounding access points that Apple's Wi-Fi >>>> Positioning >>>> System has observed in the same area.... just... try this... >>>> >> ...>> Linux: >>>> 1. Open a terminal >>>> 2. Type: sudo iwlist scan >>>> 3. Find your SSID in the output >>>> 4. Look for "Address:" lines >>>> 5. Copy the MAC address (format: AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF) >> >> iwlist scan | grep "Address:\|SSID" >> >> ... >> >>>> Once you have the BSSID, you can paste it into WaveDigger lookup tool. >>>> 1. Open the WaveDigger site: >>>>     https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid >>>> 2. In the "BSSID" field, type your MAC address: >>>>     11:22:33:AA:BB:CC >>>> 3. Click the "Lookup" or "Search" button. >>>> 4. The map will show the location of that access point. >>>>     If you enable "include surrounding access points", >>>>     it will also list nearby BSSIDs Apple has observed. >>>> >>>> Once you have the BSSID of all your neighbors, if one of them moves >>>> to a >>>> new house, you can track them if they use their router at the new home. >>> >>> Except you won't know WHICH of the BSSIDs that are returned belong to >>> your neighbours. >>> >>>  From WaveDigger (the site you didn't know about until I told you): >>> >>> "Access points shown may be 1-2km away from your click location." >>> >>> So? >> >> It showed mine just 20 or 30 metres to the west. At the other side of >> the street. >> >> May be 1-2 km away... doesn't mean they all are off. Just that there >> is no warranty that it is accurate. >> > > Which means you cannot trust that any information returned is accurate. > > Makes for a pretty bad way to track someone... Much better than looking on the entire world. That's pretty good, actually. > > ...assuming you had some way to associate someone's identity with the > BSSID of their WiFi in the first place. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;