Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS

From	Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS
Date	2024-07-21 13:53 +0200
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Andrew, 2024-07-20 18:26:

> Arno Welzel wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 16:38:08 +0200 :
> 
>>> There is a lot to this story where I brought up the slums and being in
>>> abject fear of your own wife & kids & neighbors as a philosophical point.
>>>
>>> If you set up a phone properly, you do not need to lock that phone down.
>>
>> A "proper setup" *is* locking it down by at least using a screen pattern
>> or PIN to protect it.
> 
> Philosophy being what it is, what matters more than anything is that a
> person who knows computers has a "plan" and a person who doesn't, doesn't.
> 
> My plan is to set up the phone so that it's efficient for... 
> a. Daily use
> b. Backup & restore
> c. Privacy

I do the same. And I use my phone daily and also as 2FA for a number of
accounts. And *because* it is also used for 2FA I need some kind of
protection.

> Most people have no plan whatsoever, where I would assume you know
> computers well enough to have a plan for those three things also.
> 
> Since most people have no plan at all, they have to lock it up.
> I don't have to lock it at all.
> 
> And my data is far safer than that of the people who lock it up.

If you don't have any data at all on the phone - yes, then it it safe
without any kind of lock.

>>> It's only people who don't understand computers who lock personal phones.
>>
>> I also lock my computers - without usernamen/password none of my
>> computers can be used. And I've been working as software developer,
>> network administrator and team lead in the IT industry for 30 years now.
> 
> I've been using computers since the 1970s, and I've built them from scratch
> (Motorola 68701) so I'm well aware that people have no plan for
> safeguarding their data which is why they're forced to lock them up.

Define "safeguarding".

[...]
>> Yes, if you defined "texting" as "using SMS". 
>> Even RCS already requires internet.
> 
> That was my question of you and Andy (as Carlos wouldn't know anything).
> If RCS or MLS require the Internet, then that's not good for privacy.

SMS is also not good for privacy. SS7 was already compromised 10 years ago:

<https://www.firstpoint-mg.com/blog/ss7-attack-guide/>

[...]
> I guess you're right that MMS uses the "Internet" in a way that doesn't
> require a data plan. I assume that's what you're intimating above, Right?

No. MMS uses data transmission and requires a data plan. Without a data
plan, MMS gets *very* expensive since data is then charge by its amount
where even 1 MB of data can cost more than 1 USD.

[...]
>> "Well set up" means with lock screen enabled. Otherwise this is only
>> true if you do not store *any* personal data on it, even no phone numbers.
> 
> I keep my personal data in encrypted containers. It's not hard to do.
> I keep passwords in KeePassXC (Keepass2Android on the phone) too.

This is what I call "do not store *any* personal data on it, even no
phone numbers" - because an encrypted container is not "storing data on
the phone. An encrypted container can not be used to choose a person to
call in the phone app and you can also not see any calendar entries or
send/recieve messages this way.

Also SMS *is* personal data. So if you send or receive SMS you already
have personal data on the phone.

> Philosophically, I think people who spread their data and logins about on
> the phone are the ones who are forced to lock up the phone at the top.
> 
> But locking the phone or computer at the top has efficiency penalties.

Android will *encrypt* all data on the device and if you use a lock
procedure *nobody* can access the data on the device storage at all.
Only very old devices (older than 4-5 years) may not support that.

> It's like keeping the wife's jewelry in the living room and kitchen so that
> you're forced to lock the front door with a dozen padlocks just because you
> don't know enough to put the jewelry in its own locked safe.

Why "a dozen padlocks"? One lock is enough.




-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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  Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-06 21:40 +0000
    Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-06 23:47 +0100
      Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-06 23:34 +0000
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            Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-07 09:23 -0700
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                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-06 19:59 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-08-06 12:11 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-10 10:09 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-08-10 10:49 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-08-12 12:27 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-13 17:18 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-08-13 21:14 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-14 00:29 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-08-14 07:46 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-08-14 07:54 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-17 13:18 +0200
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                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-19 10:05 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-19 16:04 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-20 01:03 +0000
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                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-20 16:54 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-21 17:47 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-17 13:14 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-08-12 12:27 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-08-10 14:03 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-08-13 17:15 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-28 08:42 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-29 11:40 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-29 12:47 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-06 19:57 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-08-06 19:53 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-08-10 14:07 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-27 11:46 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-07-20 22:29 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 00:02 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-20 17:39 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-07-21 13:55 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-07-21 13:54 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-08 20:44 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-08 13:50 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-09 13:07 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-09 13:16 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-09 09:16 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-07-09 18:38 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-09 17:46 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-07-09 18:51 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-09 10:52 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-07-10 09:10 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-10 11:41 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-07-10 21:05 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-10 13:07 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-09 10:51 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-07-10 09:06 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-10 11:44 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-09 22:07 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-10 19:46 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-10 13:09 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-12 15:52 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-12 21:46 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-12 15:37 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-07 18:02 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-08 02:58 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-08 02:08 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-08 12:42 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-08 09:05 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-08 22:10 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-08 19:55 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-08 13:49 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-08 20:48 +0200
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-08 11:48 -0700
            Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-07 20:09 +0200
              Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-07 19:12 +0100
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-07 18:51 +0000
                Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-07 11:56 -0700
  Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:04 +0200
    Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-07 20:31 +0000
      Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-07 14:17 -0700
    Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-07-07 22:43 +0200
      Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-07-08 16:33 +0200
        Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-07-08 17:35 +0200
          Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-07-10 12:26 -0600
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          Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2024-07-08 17:25 +0200

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