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Re: Security updates in the EU.

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Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> writes:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 02:38:28 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2026-04-24 00:27, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> <https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2026/04/20/eu-to-force-replaceable-batteries-in-phones-and-tablets-from-2027/>
>>>>
>>>> The article is about batteries:
>>>>
>>>> *Brussels will require all phones sold in the EU to have
>>>> replaceable batteries from 2027 – and use USB-C chargers*
>>>>
>>>> But there is also this paragraph inside:
>>>>
>>>> «Since 2025, system updates must be available for at least five
>>>> years from the date the last unit model is sold, according to the
>>>> same regulation.»
>>>>
>>>> WOW!
>>>>
>>>> But that "law" is not being enforced :-(
>>> 
>>> How does the manufacturer who provides the updates know when was the
>>> last date of purchase for a model?  They don't sell the phones.
>>> They just make them.  A phone could sit in storage for an indefinite
>>> term, like many many years.  I bought a phone that was introduced in
>>> 2016, but I bought it in 2019.  I'm sure there are other phones that
>>> have sit in storage a lot longer.
>>
>>It would read as when they sold the last one to sellers.
>
> The actual wording of the EU regulation is as follows:
>
> "Operating system updates: (a) from the date of end of placement on
> the market to at least 5 years after that date, manufacturers,
> importers or authorised representatives shall, if they provide
> security updates, corrective updates or functionality updates to an
> operating system, make such updates available at no cost for all units
> of a product model with the same operating system;"
>
> ‘date of end of placement on the market’ is defined as follows:
>
> "‘date of end of placement on the market’ means the date of placing on
> the market of the last unit of a product model;"
>
> That last definition doesn't seem to be very clear to me.

And what does 'the same operating system' mean? Is it just Android, or
is Android 16 different from Android 15?

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Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-23 22:45 +0200
  Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-23 16:01 -0600
  Re: Security updates in the EU. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-04-23 17:27 -0500
    Re: Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-24 02:38 +0200
      Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2026-04-24 09:00 +0800
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-23 22:55 -0600
        Re: Security updates in the EU. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-04-24 01:41 -0500
          Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 08:14 +0000
            Re: Security updates in the EU. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-24 09:29 +0100
              Re: Security updates in the EU. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-04-24 16:09 +0200
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 17:03 +0000
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-04-24 19:08 +0200
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 17:59 -0600
                Re: Security updates in the EU. AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-04-25 02:19 +0000
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 22:13 -0600
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 09:02 +0000
                Re: Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-25 14:22 +0200
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-25 08:24 -0600
                Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-25 08:15 -0600
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-24 08:43 +0100
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 08:14 +0000
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-25 11:34 +0100
      Re: Security updates in the EU. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-04-24 01:40 -0500
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-24 08:45 +0100
        Re: Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-24 11:25 +0200
          Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 10:07 -0600
    Re: Security updates in the EU. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-24 08:42 +0100
      Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 10:11 -0600
      Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-24 16:26 +0000
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 10:46 -0600
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-24 17:48 +0100
          Re: Security updates in the EU. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-04-24 18:52 +0200
        Re: Security updates in the EU. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-04-24 18:08 +0000
          Re: Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-25 14:27 +0200
            Re: Security updates in the EU. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-25 19:39 +0000
  Re: Security updates in the EU. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-04-24 09:24 +0200
  Re: Security updates in the EU. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-24 11:39 +0200
    Re: Security updates in the EU. Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-04-24 10:16 -0600
  Re: Security updates in the EU. "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-04-24 16:06 +0200
    Re: Security updates in the EU. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-04-24 16:10 +0200
    Re: Security updates in the EU. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-04-24 15:31 +0000

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