Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Meyer Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: Permissions Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:03:28 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <55959910.2070107@yahoo.com> References: <5593e9aa$0$44780$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> <55951fc3$0$6722$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com> <559552B9.7010108@yahoo.com> <30oapatfcm4sfiqhavdo7eh8pplbvdpi63@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d1f47bf466274cea58b8356d8ce674d2"; logging-data="28898"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18WUJWjb+iYyiOifyOjgRSD" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <30oapatfcm4sfiqhavdo7eh8pplbvdpi63@4ax.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:/bXgDK+A1x89iFGNrlkXxA/+igs= Xref: aioe.org comp.mobile.android:20648 On 7/2/2015 12:36 PM, J0HNS0N wrote: > Alan Meyer wrote: > >> If Google or Huawei want information "about the device >> and system data to improve the accuracy of our services", that should be >> a separate, optional permission which a user can grant if he wants to >> but won't disable his software if he doesn't. > > No one makes anyone buy an Android phone. Perhaps you guys would be > happier with an Apple product where getting access to the file system > is very difficult. And as I recall from my Apple days they never asked > my permission for anything. I'm guessing they just took it. I think I'd like the iPhone, but I can get all the phone service I need with Android and Tracfone on a cheap phone and $8/month. Some people I know with iPhones are paying more than ten times that much, albeit for better phones and services that I don't need. The business model of some modern American Internet companies, including Google, is to provide services to users for free but collect data from those users and sell it to undisclosed buyers for whatever purpose they want. It's true that we don't have to use Google's services, or for that matter, any smartphones. However, if you think it's appropriate for Google, Apple, and Microsoft to do whatever they want, including selling undisclosed parts of our information to undisclosed buyers for undisclosed purposes, then surely it must also be appropriate for us to exercise the same freedom in how we use their services. That includes using our own security software, like firewalls, to stymie their intrusions. I don't feel any compulsion to take Google services as they are or not use them at all. I think we have a perfect right to put up firewalls and block intrusions from them or anyone else. Alan