Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cr0c0d1le Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gemini,comp.infosystems.gopher,comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.misc Subject: Re: Splitting The Web Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 18:53:28 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <87y1dgpll3.fsf@neptune> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3c2c87d6ecdf503ea909bb448578e306"; logging-data="3837916"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18/MIASYqmgBS+gzTiPMZORrJ5ufVxBdbY=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:I+1JfH+IRpW2VNlPkHU7sSSHjYk= sha1:vCmsjTNVbYT5h9sH65b4RhxRHJs= Xref: csiph.com comp.infosystems.gemini:550 comp.infosystems.gopher:631 comp.infosystems.www.misc:236 comp.misc:23707 IanJ writes: > In comp.infosystems.gopher immibis wrote: >> On 12/22/23 18:47, Ben Collver wrote: >>> # Splitting the Web by Ploum on 2023-08-01 >>> >>> But, increasingly, I feel less and less like an outsider. >>> >>> It's not me. It's people living for and by advertising who are the >>> outsiders. They are the one destroying everything they touch, >>> including the planet. They are the sick psychos and I don't want them >>> in my life anymore. Are we splitting from those >>> click-conversion-funnel-obsessed weirdos? Good riddance! Have fun >>> with them. >>> >>> But if you want to jump ship, now is the time to get back to the >>> simple web. Welcome back aboard! >>> >>> From: >> >> Cross-posting to specific communities it would interest. Original thread >> in comp.misc. (Is this against Usenet etiquette?) > > > Personally I don't see that it is possible to split the web, the whole > idea behind it is that you can seemlessly navigate between sites, so even > with the best efforts and intentions, you don't really know what kind of > site that next link click will take you to. > > The problem is that the technology of the modern web facilitates all of > the problems listed above. Older technologies, like gopher and usenet, > due to their limited nature are unable to be harmful to their users in > the same way. > > Add blockers are in a constant arms race with the add marketers, like > youtube is punishing people who are trying to block their adverts > currently. Why fight it? > > My own philosophy is to abandon the web, wherever practical to do so. > Where I do have to interact with it (banking, shopping, bookings) I try > to get it done and then close the browser. If I should visit a link that > someone posts then I'll use lynx, if the site requires javascript then I > just close it in defiance. > > I make heavy use of RSS for web based information, news and sites that > I'm interested in. Thankfully even if they don't advertise the fact > they often have RSS feeds, the links are hidden in the page if you > search the source. I don't have any social media accounts, unless you > count a linkedin profile page. I never post anything on the web and > don't have a personal website. I have also, in the past year, returned > to Usenet and have been trying to encourage others to do so too. Google > is finally releasing its grip, which hopefully means that the influx of > spam from the web will soon end: > https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/18/google_ends_usenet_links/ I dropped LinkedIn a few years ago. As a web dev, not being on LinkedIn is a risky move, but data brokers can take a hike. I stand by my decision. > > > For me, I've chosen to invest my energy into irc, gopher and usenet, > where communities can exist and content is created because people want > to share some idea or interest. The technology doesn't lend itself to > abusing its users for financial gain and that is a wonderful thing. Don't forget BBSes! Some of them are pretty active. > > The web is nolonger a community space, it is a coroporate mining > operation and it is people that are being mined. > > Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas as well!