Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Salvador Mirzo Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: UNIX systems Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:41:48 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 82 Message-ID: <87wmcojuw3.fsf@example.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <87ikp02i0x.fsf@example.com> <87msebw9sa.fsf@example.com> <87a5aau8bz.fsf@example.com> <8a7e56c9-779d-2250-2e9c-6dd67af88570@example.net> <87r03mq9po.fsf_-_@example.com> <2f52e086-7adf-663a-2bd7-0e328bdba87c@example.net> <87a5a7hhbd.fsf@example.com> <1e0008ef-b322-6a14-5842-d1f10eac4b58@example.net> <87h644gz5i.fsf@example.com> <9f05f9e2-c7cd-4d03-0e32-44dc9537e2f0@example.net> <87v7sj8284.fsf@example.com> <842580d0-aceb-b942-2043-4908be386f97@example.net> <87wmcx4drc.fsf_-_@example.com> <41920ba9-0dfe-1d5f-a6ed-804e20b6e548@example.net> <87ikoh2in3.fsf@example.com> <541183c5-4bd0-6552-ed24-8b6bce3a4ea8@example.net> <87r030tyt9.fsf@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:19:52 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c12e3b218f24b2c483e436c9f39cec23"; logging-data="627074"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+rruv4cZCL/lpt5N2O1lz7vPlpR/VpiN8=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:OsrxKk481XbAq1/GwLmPEx4YLQI= sha1:S8xDUNRZ66VmLU9+TgyKy9YdA9w= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26922 D writes: >>> Freebsd I got 13-14 hours out of, and my current opensuse running on >>> a 1.5 year old laptop still sits at around 12-14 hours. >> >> That's impressive. If I could get some 3 hours with OpenBSD, I'd be >> very happy. But, honestly, I hardly ever need it and when I'm on the >> go, there's usually an outlet where I need. > > Only 3 hours? How old is your laptop? Sounds like you should at least be able to > get 7-8 hours out of a new one, unless you are running enormous amount of VM:s > or scientific calculations. Right now I get 1 hour, so 3 is a major upgrade. My notebook is quite new. It's a Lenovo 15IMH05 with 24 GiB of RAM. >>>> I also learned about cwm, the ``calm window manager'', which I think it >>>> was built by the OpenBSD people. It's the window manager that has >>>> enchanted me the most. >>> >>> Yes, I've heard about it. I like the concept! I run XFCE, since it >>> is a nice compromise between batteries included, and some kind of >>> lightness. For business it works great. If I only did development, >>> I'd look at cwm or perhaps dwm. >> >> I remember I thought XFCE was very ``beautiful''. But I think after it >> went down with GTK, it lost its feeling of new kid on the block. So the >> definition of ``beautiful'' here is just ``different from the same >> old''. That's likely a problem I have with graphical interfaces: I get >> tired of them. Text interfaces, though, don't seem to bother me at >> all---on the contrary, I tend to get addicted to them. For instance, I >> love the GNU EMACS and software like slrn, which I don't use anymore >> (due to Gnus). > > True. > > I have 4 virtual desktop. On 1 lives the web browser, 2 alpine email > (terminal based email client), 3 qpdf a pdf reader with session > support and on 4 my neovim with aout 18 buffers saved in a session > file. That's very close to my what I do here. The web on 2. My 1 is work. :) On 3 is USENET and 4 is literature---PDF. I run cwm, which is known as not having a virtual desktop thingies, but it's actually does. When I press super-1 I go to desktop 1. I created 4 virtual desktops (which is enough), but I think I could have at least 9 of them. > When I was young(er) I fiddled around a lot with GUI:s, but somewhere > the past 10 years or so, I just wanted something minimal with all > batteries included so that scanning, printing, wifi etc. just work our > of the box. Xfce fulfilled that for me, and I have never bothered to > change it. I did have a quick look at i3 and dwm, but I would still > have to keep xfce around for print/scan/wifi so in the end, what's the > point? Yeah, these things are important---printer, scanner and wifi. Although I think wifi is a lot less important than it seems. I've read this article yesterday called ``the computer built to last 50 years'' and offline mode is quite an important part of it. I agree with that. The system would be designed to usually function offline. It's when you connect to the Internet that it does its pull and pushes. With a system like that, wifi is less important---you connect your system to the router once a day, say, and, just like pumping gas into a vehicle, you get everything you need. Now you can go back to your desk, after unplugging the cable from your router. I like that. Clearly, these are people trying to work without distractions and interruptions. I am one of them. > My latest revelation (a few years back) was alpine email, it probably > doubled my email productivity compared with thunderbird, and is a "all > in one" solution that comes with a lot of help included. Still > flexible and extensible though, but probably not as much as mutt or > neomutt, but it strikes a beautiful balance for me. =) Now I would really look into alpine, but I'm a Gnus user, so I'm forbidden from performing heretic research.