Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Salvador Mirzo Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 21:41:31 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <87v7sj8284.fsf@example.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <67b4fc88@news.ausics.net> <67b659f8@news.ausics.net> <87mseggwo1.fsf@example.com> <87frk8drdb.fsf@example.com> <2d9b3f1c-c742-e47f-84cf-599e01f9a044@example.net> <87ikp02i0x.fsf@example.com> <87msebw9sa.fsf@example.com> <87a5aau8bz.fsf@example.com> <8a7e56c9-779d-2250-2e9c-6dd67af88570@example.net> <87r03mq9po.fsf_-_@example.com> <2f52e086-7adf-663a-2bd7-0e328bdba87c@example.net> <87a5a7hhbd.fsf@example.com> <1e0008ef-b322-6a14-5842-d1f10eac4b58@example.net> <87h644gz5i.fsf@example.com> <9f05f9e2-c7cd-4d03-0e32-44dc9537e2f0@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 01:41:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="91ee7f608c555db1dd91044aa0fd5277"; logging-data="422802"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/HQ/a3updBkhAOlbBVneQzVmdV5OK3Vwc=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:uEtBwJmvgeR+HvmiKz3q13YAXgg= sha1:HixjlLe7UePR0eH3FbWtznjFblA= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26846 D writes: > On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>>> Yeah---there's a fine line between incrementing language and sticking >>>> with the previous, well-established vocabulary. That's particularly >>>> important for hackers because they have an imense amount of vocabulary >>>> to manage and great fluency is essential to their day-to-day operations. >>> >>> Another example from hell for me is powershell. I've never seen such long >>> command! Microsoft powershell gurus must really enjoy typing! >> >> Besides, it's yet another shell. Even if it were really great... Have >> you seen Plan9's rc? It's a very neat shell. But it's not Bourne's sh. >> It's hard to overcome the inertia of a large body moving at high speed. > > Never seen. How does it differ from plain old bash? The thing I recall was that rc had a native list data structure. I don't recall much more than that; the feeling was that it was neat, tidy, more concise, more elegant. It felt closer to a general-purpose programming language, while still supporting the loved Bourne syntax. >>> Oh believe me... I've had to _fight_ to keep any resemblance of >>> teaching basic bash scripting in the linux course. At first students >>> hate it, but the brilliant ones later on tell me that they actually >>> picked up a lot of linux while bash scripting, instead of if we used >>> python or something else. This makes me happy and works as intended! >>> ;) >> >> No shell scripting? Okay---let's investigate a bit how the system >> works. ``What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as >> sweet.'' That's from a teacher I had called Juliet---she was pretty > > True. I'm currently discussing the course plans for the autumn, I think I have a > good chance at sneaking in some good old shell through the backdoor. Keep your > fingers crossed! =D Fingers crossed. :D