Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Salvador Mirzo Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:15:01 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <87r03savru.fsf@example.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <28416cc3-e819-886a-4025-2b2588f88663@example.net> <87a5ale0vg.fsf@example.com> <0310a638-3153-f886-5206-9bc8453c1f8e@example.net> <64$EGYNy98snFwjO@ku.gro.lloiff> <37f3e3f6-6cf9-fab4-76f4-dbc1a07fd369@example.net> <871pvtl95y.fsf@example.com> <8734g8ffvs.fsf@example.com> <1r82qg1.5dn82r121ep78N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 03:15:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0466f3d0c5e40b164175afc65c49539b"; logging-data="3244962"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+XFVWj8fg/HCqlflI25BiUTYZ5mwS8Uzo=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:ItTZkAauISb0oqXl++C0kSgstd0= sha1:PagFTco2qMKgosAmX+ONQxUYfNA= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26557 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes: > Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >> D writes: >> >> [...] >> >> > My dream is that people will start to use small self-hosted, >> > end-to-end encrypted chat services, so that the laws forbidding >> > encryption become meaningless. >> > >> >> That's my idea, too. I don't think the USENET is actually a perfect >> project. I think communities should not too large. So I think we >> should build more NNTP servers to be used by small communities. And >> then these servers should have a standard API so that an index could be >> created somewhere where people can discover communities. >> >> Imagine how many closed NNTP servers, mailing lists are out there and >> nobody knows. > [...] > > Closed NNTP newsservers are not Usenet, just local proprietary news. > They're operated by a server owner who has the power of booting users > off his server if he doesn't like their opinions. Those users have no > alternative server to use for those local groups so they've effectively > been censored, exactly like web forums with a cadre of moderators. > > With Usenet there are many servers, each carrying a subset of groups > from the full group list. If a server operator TOSes a user they're at > liberty to use another service and still access their groups uncensored. That's right. But I think we need the closed ones too. But I also think the closed ones are a good way to show people that there's something out there that's the USENET. So if they every get censored on a closed NNTP server, they could still go to a USENET server and still have a community they can't be banned from.