Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Salvador Mirzo Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 21:55:59 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <87plj4i4tc.fsf@example.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <87ikp03y4r.fsf@example.com> <81cafbfb-18b8-8898-4d91-13ba43f9703c@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 01:55:59 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="45f237ca80d16a0ba3695b7d815e802a"; logging-data="2937480"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19WdNGXTSmyKiWUlwGo1nO4VYazpRXCdZw=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:UTungMv0WytuzxBPVjryZFdFiZ4= sha1:zI0YGzyOid5c9hZTc6k9tOd7rn0= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26739 kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes: > D wrote: >> >>This was a painful read. =( I thought I saw this due to the fact that I >>teach at the vocational school level and not university level. Are yo >>useriously telling me that this b.s. goes one (and comes out of) the >>university level? > > In the US there is not so much of a clear distinction between college, > university, and trade school. We have for-profit trade schools that > now call themselves universities, and colleges with full university > programs. > > I can think of a number of places that call themselves universities that > have CS programs that are basically programming programs... they exist > to teach kids to write code so they can get a job and only teach the > currently popular buzzwords and have no actual CS anywhere. > > I can think of one place that calls itself a college which has a CS > program that is almost entirely theoretical... lots of proofs and lots > of algorithm analysis. Enough programming to be useful but it's expected > students will learn that on their own. A full year of graph theory, two > years of continuous mathematics. > > And there is a standard ACM curriculum and there are places that follow it, > but there are a whole lot of places that don't. I think the ACM curriculum > is very balanced between theory and practice and includes things like an > assembler class and a digital logic class which are not themselves useful > but which need to be taught in order to explain just what a computer actually > is. > > But all of these places call themselves CS programs even though they have > a huge diversity in what they actually teach. > > We also have a bunch of IT programs which are really business school programs > with some computing added. I think those are pretty much worthless, but they > get a lot of students. There's a lot of truth here. I'm printing your article to show someone.