Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Salvador Mirzo Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: UNIX systems Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 09:08:00 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <87ikoh2in3.fsf@example.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <87mseggwo1.fsf@example.com> <87frk8drdb.fsf@example.com> <2d9b3f1c-c742-e47f-84cf-599e01f9a044@example.net> <87ikp02i0x.fsf@example.com> <87msebw9sa.fsf@example.com> <87a5aau8bz.fsf@example.com> <8a7e56c9-779d-2250-2e9c-6dd67af88570@example.net> <87r03mq9po.fsf_-_@example.com> <2f52e086-7adf-663a-2bd7-0e328bdba87c@example.net> <87a5a7hhbd.fsf@example.com> <1e0008ef-b322-6a14-5842-d1f10eac4b58@example.net> <87h644gz5i.fsf@example.com> <9f05f9e2-c7cd-4d03-0e32-44dc9537e2f0@example.net> <87v7sj8284.fsf@example.com> <842580d0-aceb-b942-2043-4908be386f97@example.net> <87wmcx4drc.fsf_-_@example.com> <41920ba9-0dfe-1d5f-a6ed-804e20b6e548@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:08:00 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="284b53354082a8681c403d325df2439b"; logging-data="1405261"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX191r1JFGrJT+lZnSnGA0BEBjIenuk/aC0I=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:o5959ml0JIVImekUTXzkaZnQsjA= sha1:HOf82QvebNUOjzLi+6CzbcWcWhU= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26868 D writes: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> It's a shame it died. =( Wasn't the idea to refine the good, old, Unix >>> ideas, and improve on lessons learned? >> >> I wouldn't say it died. I believe Plan 9 is doing pretty well, but I >> don't think they're trying to compete with popular systems. It's a >> research system, I'd say. OpenBSD is a research system, even though >> it's totally usable. In fact, it's the one I like to use. > > Would be nice if someone took Plan 9 and managed to get it to run natively on > servers and laptops, or even one brand of server and one brand of laptop. I > would definitely try it! I've ran Plan 9 on an x86 virtual machine, which means it will probably install okay on popular hardware. I think some people do run Plan 9 as their daily system. > How is openbsd as a daily driver? I've been close to replacing my > opensuse with freebsd. It wasn't quite there in terms of hardware > support (it lacked anything beyond G wifi, which is too slow). Maybe > openbsd is better than freebsd? I got in the BSD world by way of FreeBSD. What attracted me to FreeBSD was the documentation in the system---manuals in particular---and I also appreciated the ports collection. (It was so much easier to compile and run an application back then than it was to hunt for sources in the GNU systems worlds. That allowed me to make small changes in the software I was running to learn about how it worked.) In more recent years I had switched to Windows due to working with companies that required me to run a Windows system. (Also due to personal reasons: when I was in graduate school, I wanted to keep all my software in a single directory, which was easy on Windows and hard on UNIX. But to use Windows, I needed a GNU EMACS packed with other programs such as cat, grep, find, awk, sed, ...) The work and personal reasons have gone away, so I decided to go FreeBSD again. But ever since hibernation was implemented in Windows XP that I love the feature. It turns out FreeBSD doesn't hibernate, but OpenBSD does (on my amd64 computer). And then I discovered that OpenBSD is as impeccable in the documentation as FreeBSD is. So I went with OpenBSD. I have not found a way to run OpenBSD in a battery-saving mode, though, so my entire battery last about an hour with OpenBSD, while it would likely last the entire day with Windows 10, say. There's probably things I can do that I don't know how to do at the moment. I'm hardly ever in need of a battery, though. So I'm a pretty happy OpenBSD user. I also learned about cwm, the ``calm window manager'', which I think it was built by the OpenBSD people. It's the window manager that has enchanted me the most.