Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:10:37 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7270eaa2-4a1b-e04a-2044-17656d06173d@example.net> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <67b659f8@news.ausics.net> <87mseggwo1.fsf@example.com> <87frk8gwji.fsf@example.com> <05f9e6d7-ae71-d73e-9244-2638790780ef@example.net> <87tt8odsb7.fsf@example.com> <1b411147-a833-8c73-2d85-e5c749fc23b9@example.net> <87ikp03y4r.fsf@example.com> <8734g3z4hd.fsf@example.com> <3819981d-fafa-1973-c572-d251da02ab26@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1697536"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:26666 On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Rich wrote: > D wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >>> Oh, yes, memory is another thing I notice. Not only students, but >>> teachers, too; I'm known as having a superb memory or something. >>> Truth is, though, it's their memory that is not doing very well. >> >> I think smartphones and google are a huge part of the problem. I do >> not have a smartphone, so I have to remember things like codes, >> shopping lists, directions, and I am convinced it helps my memory >> somewhat. >> >> The young ones, just google everything, so they don't exercise their >> memory. > > There have been studies to the effect that yes, using 'google' or 'the > phone' to remember everything does indeed erode the ability to actually > 'remember' without said crutches. Interesting! That would confirm my subjective feeling. >> For instance, one of the students the other day was amazed at how I >> could live without google maps, and wondered how I do it. >> >> My answer, I check where I want to go, before I leave home. Most of >> the time I remember it. If I don't know exactly where to go, I ask >> someone in the street, or ask a hotel. The hotels are nice, because >> often they give you a map. For long trips I might print out the map >> on a piece of paper. This has the advantage of having zero value, so >> I never have to worry about dropping it, forgetting it or someone >> stealing it. >> >> The students were chocked! ;) > > I saw a news report once (credibility slightly suspect) which posited > that there were even some of the "youngins" that use "gps phone nav" > for navigating routes they travel frequently, such that without the > "nav tool" they are unable to recall how to get "there" from "here" > even though they have made the exact same trip 200 prior times. Wow! I find that hard to believe. If true, we are close to the end of our civilization! =/ > I often 'frustrate' my wife by going off the beaten path (major roads) > onto back roads (I'll admit, sometimes done specifically for the value > of the 'frustration' part) to get "there" from "here" with no GPS nav > or pre-planning at all and in almost all instances I get "there" even > though the entire route is brand new for me. This is excellent! Always going the same way, or driving the same route gets very boring after a while. Sometimes when I walk a new path, I discover a new store I didn't know existed. > Those students that rely on gmaps would be even more shocked with one > of those 'side trips'. You bet!